revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness
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From: Simon Leinen <simon.leinen@switch.ch>
To: Christoph Paasch via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] Outch! I found a problem with responsiveness
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 23:43:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1r1czno5j.fsf@switch.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YVx67+Yn7Zm9dzJG@MacBook-Pro-2.local> (Christoph Paasch via Rpm's message of "Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:18:55 -0700")

Hallo Christoph,

> That's right. BB is a transient problem that is extremely short-lived.

> Having tried for the past year to reliably demo the user-visible
> impact of bufferbloat, I have learned two things:

> 1. When it happens, it is bad - really bad.
> 2. However, it is very difficult to trigger it "on-demand".

I seem to be able to trigger it quite reliably by using mobile data
while traveling on the train and doing normal remote work.  Here in
Switzerland I often see RTTs in excess of 10 seconds.  In France I have
seen more than two MINUTES.

Maybe I should start setting up systematic measurements.  For example,
if I just sent pings both from my laptop to a well-connected fixed host,
and vice-versa, while capturing all ICMP packets on both ends, I should
be able to learn about bufferbloat in both directions.

It would be even better to have this in a mobile (web) app that could
record/send location data from the mobile node, to spot the regions
(presumably around tunnels and other connectivity-challenged areas)
where the problem tends to occur most often.  Alternatively, correlate
the probe timestamps with real-time location data provided by the
railway company.

Cheers,
-- 
Simon.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-05 21:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-04 23:23 Matt Mathis
2021-10-04 23:36 ` [Rpm] RPM open meeting tuesdays 9:30-10:30 Dave Taht
2021-10-05 15:47   ` Matt Mathis
2021-10-11 20:52   ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-05 16:18 ` [Rpm] Outch! I found a problem with responsiveness Christoph Paasch
2021-10-05 21:43   ` Simon Leinen [this message]
2021-10-11 21:01     ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-12  7:11       ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-05 17:26 ` Stuart Cheshire
2021-10-05 22:01   ` Matt Mathis

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