From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ausics.net (mail.ausics.net [IPv6:2403:580a:1f3d::9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D4AC3B2A4 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ausics.net (valhalla.ausics.net [10.10.0.10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ausics.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28C17200095 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2023 15:51:54 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ausics.net; s=dkim1; t=1695621114; bh=9FOYSFqB36acgSzX4OqFjzQAkPnwYW9FahNt253290g=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Ad6NTaJuKaCRuWYAWAZWgrijuE7ALLFfa4nclq+qdJKNO1vHxQlRh/FePUkMTPOKh hHLe++1GhI0mSlwlZIcYlsARiYq6Xa2i9XNVqGeMy27rRBstb8fvRQ7s24wE2EUouE erPN3weGmNzzixWFGq7Mlq3SK3t0nS2lVaebTQKEi/buhNnrPMyX0xLEQ6MFvW2ksp W20OmiDVCQHAWHfvqyWUl4CHyVwXWHEp49Kr6bJL+VzKVjEHW8Y9iqH+CRr4doeQ0g +VkERLvTbXq5enklMWcDDHW0cNkby26B0SIdc3aK/hFGKJ3ic/T0IqgxqUNsXDyOOy z1y9mxlFYzO1A== Received: from b1VBNblYwzGUKbIj7eZ9+GreXQAxK2afOXQdB9XkbeQ= (jLlo+/jxcwt6kMMyybmPy8x0nfchnk+Z) by mail.ausics.net with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 25 Sep 2023 15:51:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 15:51:54 +1000 From: Noel Butler To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: References: <9d96e8d6-8a40-4353-b7a3-49881742f1a7@auckland.ac.nz> <83e9b47895d019d282e21bbdd4f4cc57@ausics.net> <1ad0e825-bacc-4dd4-9526-1554d66a41f9@auckland.ac.nz> <4745d4934dbda686a41851d8b12b8c0b@ausics.net> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail Message-ID: <037ad8d2c36f00d7204124b92a7e2a39@ausics.net> X-Sender: noel.butler@ausics.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_58670ea30e5d8ac35e0eab9fbf4bca19" Subject: Re: [Starlink] APNIC56 last week X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 05:51:57 -0000 --=_58670ea30e5d8ac35e0eab9fbf4bca19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 25/09/2023 15:00, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: >> > IPv6 adoption in Australia (and NZ) is a bit behind the curve, > internationally. A bit? We're dragging our heels :) Very strange too since Geoff is from AU, in fact my home city, fun fact, until I move about 15 years ago we apparently lived one street apart. > > I'm not sure how old you are, but I could imagine things going pretty > quickly from some point onwards. Not too distant from retirement, like to think I'd still be kickin on for further 25 or so after that > The point is that an IPv4 allocation is no longer a resource unless you > have an active need for it. Reminds me of a blog post a few years ago I did that showed how many well known prominent websites were not reachable by ipv6, I should grab that list and recheck them to see how many fail today. > Incidentally, goodwill isn't the only intangible asset that's worth > something - my father used to work in that space for decades and I > earned extra pocket money proofreading an M&A textbook for > practitioners, and I can tell you that the true list was long, even 40 > years ago... Interesting, depends on industry I guess, with hosting, it's just the goodwill (userbase), you only own the physical assets that provide the services, you cant own a client, nor own their data, same thing for (most) ISP's and RSP's, but I guess in other industries there could be other things, and since they don't apply to me I'm ignorant of them. > You only really "need" IPv4 if you operate a network with a lot of > servers that see inbound traffic from random clients in networks you > have no control over. You just named 99.9R% of the services in the world. > Not sure what you're projecting as your lifetime ;-) I hope 90 odd, but if I don't retire soon it'll be substantially less haha -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message. --=_58670ea30e5d8ac35e0eab9fbf4bca19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

On 25/09/2023 15:00, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrot= e:

 
IPv6 adoption in Australia (and NZ) is a bit behind the curve, internationa= lly.
 
A bit? We're dragging our heels :)  Very strange too since Geoff = is from AU, in fact my home city, fun fact, until I move about 15 years ago= we apparently lived one street apart.
 
 
I'm not sure how old you are, but I could imagine things going pretty = quickly from some point onwards.
 
Not too distant from retirement, like to think I'd still be kickin on = for further 25 or so after that
 

The point is that an IPv4 allocation is no longer a resource unless you = have an active need for it. 

Reminds me of a blog post a few years ago I did that showed how many wel= l known prominent websites were not reachable by ipv6, I should grab that l= ist and recheck them to see how many fail today.

Incidentally, goodwill isn't the only intangible asset that's worth some= thing - my father used to work in that space for decades and I earned extra= pocket money proofreading an M&A textbook for practitioners, and I can= tell you that the true list was long, even 40 years ago...

Interesting, depends on industry I guess, with hosting, it's just the go= odwill (userbase), you only own the physical assets that provide the servic= es, you cant own a client, nor own their data, same thing for (most)  = ISP's and RSP's, but I guess in other industries there could be other thing= s, and since they don't apply to me I'm ignorant of them.


You only really "need" IPv4 if you operate a network with a lot of serve= rs that see inbound traffic from random clients in networks you have no con= trol over. 

You just named 99.9R% of the services in the world.

Not sure what you're projecting as your lifetime ;-)

 

I hope 90 odd, but if I don't retire soon it'll be substantially less ha= ha

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Regards,
Noel Butler

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