From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cpanel9.c.fozzy.com (cpanel9.c.fozzy.com [206.54.190.30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C01863CB37 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 12:50:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=olegkutkov.me; s=default; h=To:In-Reply-To:Cc:References:Message-Id:Date: Subject:Mime-Version:From:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Sender: Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender :Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Ie66uiXQNYTpS6+U8xsnF8lXtiCb9htB7XRzLNbMXb0=; b=xChs559qQWrU1SjQjBn/wTG5Lw /eYS7TMyxMamY13QDOYHo5CC43Y9trU7zz3PcT0GpXANEoJbSBCYNM4H/NTD+usW8gKwEFPNF5qjg CUMwxWEFx7+SXf18x3d1GGaL1DFEVoEOchg1XbBxUSZ77aWFACCjJG+OhMPoT9qFKDgfMq1ifkJXg Ap2V+ww37s9MQFf68ym3zbIaI1sTcSaooQidrnSz60Wk2ehbwTdlv/FbD8Ws54va6hffym6O3CWd+ F3G/eZTxAc3qf4H2e1er1n7qK0jD+VKa/ZQ9RWynBtLw9zN544StuGzhRGMSC5LloJ7SzkqDddRIr 4vUp7zwg==; Received: from 178-133-149-50.mobile.vf-ua.net ([178.133.149.50]:58261 helo=smtpclient.apple) by cpanel9.c.fozzy.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qCjzr-004yMu-1A; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:50:56 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-664AEF54-7D59-42AA-8883-54632964B13D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "contact@olegkutkov.me" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 19:50:43 +0300 Message-Id: <0401A097-59CD-4A30-B853-04D1F3945DA0@olegkutkov.me> References: Cc: =?utf-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= , Dave Taht via Starlink In-Reply-To: To: Hesham ElBakoury X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20F66) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel9.c.fozzy.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.bufferbloat.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - olegkutkov.me X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cpanel9.c.fozzy.com: authenticated_id: contact@olegkutkov.me X-Authenticated-Sender: cpanel9.c.fozzy.com: contact@olegkutkov.me X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Subject: Re: [Starlink] Signal Structure of the Starlink Ku-Band Downlink X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 16:50:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail-664AEF54-7D59-42AA-8883-54632964B13D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No reaction from SpaceX or Elon

On 23 Jun 2023, at 19:15, Hesham E= lBakoury via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

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What was Elon Musk reaction to this research?
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Hesham

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On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:12 AM David Fe= rn=C3=A1ndez via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I think that paper has already been discussed in this list. It<= br> appeared in the news a while ago:
https://www.theregist= er.com/2022/10/24/starlink_signal_decoded_for_use

Regards,

David

> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:17:08 -0700
> From: Joe Hamelin <nethead@gmail.com>
> To: Hesham ElBakoury <helbakoury@gmail.com>
> Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Signal Structure of the Starlink Ku-Band
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> Most interesting:
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> " VIII. CONCLUSIONS We have developed and applied a blind signal
> identification technique to uncover the frequency- and time-domain
> structure of the Starlink Ku-band downlink signal. We further identifie= d
> four synchronization sequences that can be used to *passively exploit*<= br> > Starlink signals for pseudorange-based positioning, navigation, and tim= ing
> (PNT), and explicitly evaluated two of these. The results in this paper=
> illuminate the *path to use of Starlink signals as a backup to traditio= nal
> GNSS* for PNT."
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 6:09=E2=80=AFAM Joe Hamelin <nethead@gmail.com= > wrote:
>
>>
>> https://radionavlab.ae.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/starlink_struc= ture.pdf
>>
>> Here's the PDF.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 2:55=E2=80=AFAM Hesham ElBakoury via Starli= nk <
>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone looked at this paper (Signal Structure of the Starli= nk
>>> Ku-Band Downlink) by Todd E. Humphreys ? This paper will be pub= lished in
>>> IEEE Transactions on Aerospace and Electronic Systems. Are ther= e other
>>> research efforts which try to do the same?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Hesham
>>>
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