From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA9513B29E for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 15:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy-1.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-1.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [154.159.238.26]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7EE9F8C0125; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:43:14 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1645476202; bh=6C5Z96yjdQlkcN+kf0hooXSK/9T7i7NzzcDyDfxf71U=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=jjPCVgfj105Lc7t0nCN6V5Dctgc1r0IiVEIcnQkOiGALZa+L1PeBrPZjTTlGtzT1g w+AmSikonUiDyRiK15G6ZxWYIJjW21h7zX9BG5MyjkmO1BtVOSqWK9TBs/SemhBm9E T7k9qF6UbnD6tbixgDZGiaIkn6NgxMUfUC3rIZtdwd9//gJGf14XHqcFrxOOZzHq6k E7oqh3k7ws5GPbebd9r4PrUQdozRliHB+t8fz/585c4el7X+yJPlk/ss/hplLuLzf4 Eo+pvxDGccawyyfhfxbt97ovWaie+5tG/hCeZbWeXYVpyCTonyAVP+mcjWNd+BiBoL aXG1LCXCIgLRg== Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 23:43:03 +0300 From: Mike Puchol To: 'David Lang' , 'Larry Press' , dickroy@alum.mit.edu Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <0ac195f5-3668-4c96-8dec-8a2d59a0bd52@Spark> In-Reply-To: <1F1EB112F8CB446FAB4BF308A76955FA@SRA6> References: <1p492142-q944-r494-6s6r-p6q37s57qnq4@ynat.uz> <1F1EB112F8CB446FAB4BF308A76955FA@SRA6> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 0ac195f5-3668-4c96-8dec-8a2d59a0bd52@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="6213f95e_3d1b58ba_3477" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:43:24 -0000 --6213f95e_3d1b58ba_3477 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline =46rom what I have observed, there is a new =E2=80=9Croaming=E2=80=9D fla= g in terminal properties that determines roaming capability. Mine is fals= e, and I could not get service if I set the service address too far. The way the UT does it is, after startup, it moves to zero tilt, then sea= rches and registers with any passing satellite, likely using a low-rate, = omnidireccional beacon. The backend then informs the terminal if it is ou= t of its service address, and if so, it will just sit there doing nothing= (although it does periodically send stuff). Best, Mike On =46eb 21, 2022, 23:31 +0300, Dick Roy , wrote:= > What does your contract say about the =22where=22 you can expect servic= e from > your dishy=3F I suspect the system is capable of tracking all users at = all > times they're in coverage which is how they could/would enforce a > contractual limitation/constraint. > > RR > > -----Original Message----- > =46rom: Starlink =5Bmailto:starlink-bounces=40lists.bufferbloat.net=5D = On Behalf Of > David Lang > Sent: Sunday, =46ebruary 20, 2022 11:30 PM > To: Larry Press > Cc: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Starlink Roaming > > tonight I took it to a friends house about 25 miles away and within a c= ouple > min > it gave me an error message saying that I wasn't at my assigned locatio= n. > > David Lang > > On Mon, 21 =46eb 2022, Larry Press wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 21 =46eb 2022 07:22:44 +0000 > > =46rom: Larry Press > > To: David Lang , > > Jonathan Bennett > > Cc: =22starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net=22 > > Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Starlink Roaming > > > > David brought his dish to my location -- about fifty miles from his > service loacation and in a different cell and it could not connect. We = had a > clear view of the entire sky. He speculated that that was because it wa= s > registered to use a specific ground station that was out of range at my= > place. Does that seem reasonable=3F > > > > Larry Press > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > =46rom: Starlink on behalf= of David > Lang > > Sent: Monday, =46ebruary 14, 2022 12:29 PM > > To: Jonathan Bennett > > Cc: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Starlink Roaming > > > > I asked starlink about temp service away from my registered location,= they > said > > I have two options > > > > 1. formally change the service location (if approved, guaranteed to w= ork, > but > > you aren't guaranteed to be able to change the service location back)= > > > > 2. best effort, set it up and try it. Service may perfect, or may be = worse > (all > > the way to non-existant) depending on how many other dishes are in us= e in > the > > area. > > > > I've done some limited testing with my dish within about 15 miles of = my > > registered location (in both cases with less than optimal sky views) = and > it's > > worked without a hitch. I plan to do a test further away this weekend= (but > in a > > less populated area, so I have high hopes) > > > > David Lang > > > > On Mon, 14 =46eb 2022, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > > > > > It appears that there is now a system in place for Starlink to re-c= onnect > > > even if you are outside your official service cell. =46or those of = us who > > > want to use Starlink on vacations or other trips, this is quite the= > > > development. > > > > > > --Jonathan Bennett > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttps://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/= starlink=5F > =5F;=21=21P7nkOOY=21txPxU76SxJ4JvYe2kDjl5OcuAgSIb7mkHWuCMgt3eSH3Tec--6v= ePH=5FRCs0NVt6n > 2TE6=5F9HsG20fOA=24 > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --6213f95e_3d1b58ba_3477 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
=46rom what I have observed, there is a new =E2=80=9C= roaming=E2=80=9D flag in terminal properties that determines roaming capa= bility. Mine is false, and I could not get service if I set the service a= ddress too far.

The way the UT does it is, after startup, it moves to zero tilt, then sea= rches and registers with any passing satellite, likely using a low-rate, = omnidireccional beacon. The backend then informs the terminal if it is ou= t of its service address, and if so, it will just sit there doing nothing= (although it does periodically send stuff).

Best,

Mike
On =46eb 21, 2022, 23:31 +0300, Dic= k Roy <dickroy=40alum.mit.edu>, wrote:
What does your contract say about the =22where=22 you can expec= t service from
your dishy=3F I suspect the system is capable of tracking all users at al= l
times they're in coverage which is how they could/would enforce a
contractual limitation/constraint.

RR

-----Original Message-----
=46rom: Starlink =5Bmailto:starlink-bounces=40lists.bufferbloat.net=5D On= Behalf Of
David Lang
Sent: Sunday, =46ebruary 20, 2022 11:30 PM
To: Larry Press
Cc: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Starlink Roaming

tonight I took it to a friends house about 25 miles away and within a cou= ple
min
it gave me an error message saying that I wasn't at my assigned location.=

David Lang

On Mon, 21 =46eb 2022, Larry Press wrote:

Date: Mon, 21 =46eb 2022 07:22:44 +0000
=46rom: Larry Press <lpress=40csudh.edu>
To: David Lang <david=40lang.hm>,
Jonathan Bennett <jonathanbennett=40hackaday.com>
Cc: =22starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net=22 <starlink=40lists.bufferblo= at.net>
Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Starlink Roaming

David brought his dish to my location -- about fifty miles from his
=
service loacation and in a different cell and it could not connect. We ha= d a
clear view of the entire sky. He speculated that that was because it was<= br /> registered to use a specific ground station that was out of range at my place. Does that seem reasonable=3F

Larry Press
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
=46rom: Starlink <starlink-bounces=40lists.bufferbloat.net> on beha= lf of David
Lang <david=40lang.hm>
Sent: Monday, =46ebruary 14, 2022 12:29 PM<= br /> To: Jonathan Bennett <jonathanbennett=40hackaday.com>
Cc: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net <starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net= >
Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Starlink Roaming

I asked starlink about temp service away from my registered location, the= y
said
I have two options

1. formally change the service location (if approved, guaranteed to work,=
but
you aren't guaranteed to be able to change = the service location back)

2. best effort, set it up and try it. Service may perfect, or may be wors= e
(all
the way to non-existant) depending on how m= any other dishes are in use in
the
area.

I've done some limited testing with my dish within about 15 miles of my registered location (in both cases with less than optimal sky views) and<= br />
it's
worked without a hitch. I plan to do a test= further away this weekend (but
in a
less populated area, so I have high hopes)<= br />
David Lang

On Mon, 14 =46eb 2022, Jonathan Bennett wrote:

It appears that there is now a system in pl= ace for Starlink to re-connect
even if you are outside your official service cell. =46or those of us who=
want to use Starlink on vacations or other trips, this is quite the
= development.

--Jonathan Bennett

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