From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 228433B29D for ; Thu, 5 May 2022 22:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy-1.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-1.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [185.199.100.90]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 107BC8C0302; Fri, 6 May 2022 02:42:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1651804953; bh=OPnnOhR8U48GGrL8sJPb9fs6Lq0WGhyBTaUpkpa8f1w=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=nTvV5WD/aD2iE8rHDYyr2R4xzNWO+Aih9orgntasZKoXnf+/5jiQ44Z01J6LC7gn0 2uDSPKhq6YcfA+TxmlgkEijPEGNg/lUVBzwdK4eOtARKFqU1bF2QryEydSNR4GUb1j ewnRgw1zVRH2UmYZ9/ORv0bUbrsAAJ8TbXKMz++rwpJFt8fs1oBEn7IKsR7jIrFcs2 hIIKA8GDylxr2OXP9qJwWa4CnUCH6myA6Vm0dlfP9n2wucGhPVBEG3iTcPE4RiBzUW VcZhGPtn6aFFMxpo4ftIxdqjLIIGAAzqJcfALU56Y0fu0krMBKDxfs3r72jy19J/kc J0vgWNwFzPiTw== Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 06:41:56 +0400 From: Mike Puchol To: David Lang , Ulrich Speidel , Larry Press Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net?=" Message-ID: <0cacac1a-993f-48dd-b213-4b10b5ac1428@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: <77f03647-c1af-00c3-21b6-19fc62a81e44@auckland.ac.nz> <6p4934rq-30ns-9486-5srs-o45r7rornor9@ynat.uz> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 0cacac1a-993f-48dd-b213-4b10b5ac1428@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="62748b0b_643c9869_2b7c" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd) X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 02:42:35 -0000 --62748b0b_643c9869_2b7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I did a one hour drive test combined with a data logger (calling it LeoBo= x for now), posted it compressed into 15=E2=80=99 https://youtu.be/UExU-=5FVHWjA Best, Mike On May 6, 2022, 03:46 +0400, Larry Press , wrote: > >=C2=A0In a week or two I'm going to take my dish out and drive around = for a few hours > > Roaming in motion works -- see the updates at the end of this post: > https://circleid.com/posts/20220225-spacex-is-testing-starlink-roaming > But it's not yet officially supported. > > Elon Musk says it's working in Ukraine. > > Stationary roaming, portability, is now officially offered at extra cos= t and with some constraints: > https://support.starlink.com/=3Ftopic=3D1426e78a-7384-0334-3fc0-ddf5a76= d7afe > > Larry > > =46rom: Starlink on behalf o= f David Lang > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2022 2:21 AM > To: Ulrich Speidel > Cc: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net = > Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Portability Now Available (fwd) > > remember that starlink is getting coverage from many satellites as they= come > over, it's not like geostationary satellites that can aim specific ante= nnas at > specific locations (i.e. 'spotbeams' are not a thing) > > > (just received the inverter I ordered, now to convert the plugs...) > > I expect the waitlist is a combination of two things. > > 1. the number of subscribers already in the area > 2. supply availability (I expect this is why Ukraine is a waitlist, the= y have > supplied dishes to the government, but if you try to order one yourself= , you > would have to wait) > > David Lang > > On Thu, 5 May 2022, Ulrich Speidel wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 19:40:01 +1200 > > =46rom: Ulrich Speidel > > To: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Portability Now Available (fwd) > > > > Cool. Very interesting=21 That's one pile of information all of a sud= den. They > > could do that more often IMHO. > > > > Nothing like official confirmation that the tropics are an almost > > Starlink-free zone, and that places reasonably away from the 53rd par= allels > > are secondary service zones. They forgot their 50-odd terminals in To= nga (I > > heard yesterday about someone in the northern islands who brought a d= ishy > > from overseas and found it didn't work... obviously believed the head= lines... > > sigh). > > > > Also interesting that there seems to be, finally, some sort of disclo= sure on > > cell size. Someone will need to explain to me why there are waitlist = areas in > > the Auckland area surrounded by full service. The areas concerned are= rural, > > which you'd think they'd want to service with priority over our > > well-connected CBD... Too many subscribers there already, or not enou= gh to > > warrant a spot beam=3F Similar soft spots near Sydney, holes in =46ov= eaux Strait, > > the Hauraki Gulf, southeast of Murray Bridge in South Australia, sout= hern > > Chile, ... What do I read into this=3F Two-fold: Where it's near 53 d= egrees, > > they're probably oversubscribed or lack terminal supply, or both. Whe= re it's > > well away from 53 degrees, I'd guess they probably just lack satellit= e > > capacity full stop. > > > > Ukraine is waitlisted...=3F But wait - didn't Starlink just take over= the > > Internet there=3F Interesting also that one of the waitlist / no serv= ice areas > > in Germany is right where they had the floods & where Starlink got de= ployed > > very publicly with (I understand) some success. Did the locals hang o= n to the > > emergency dishys and does this now saturate the network there=3F And = what did > > the Greeks do to be all waitlisted=3F > > > > So what happens if you roam from a place with availability into a pla= ce with > > =22waitlist=22 status=3F Anyone with a dishy up for a road trip with = a story to > > tell=3F > > > > =2425/month sounds steep but is probably modest in comparison to the = roaming > > charges that some cellular providers charge. > > > > On 5/05/2022 7:00 pm, David Lang wrote: > >> received this Wednesday evening. > >> Makes sense, > >> > >> David Lang > >> > >> ---------- =46orwarded message ---------- > >> Portability Now Available > >> > >> Starlink is excited to announce Portability as an add-on feature for= all > >> Starlink customers. Portability enables customers to temporarily mov= e their > >> Starlink to new locations and receive high-speed internet anywhere w= here > >> Starlink provides active coverage within the same continent. To see = active > >> coverage areas, please view the Starlink Availability Map ( > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttp://www.starlink.com/map=5F=5F;=21= =21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5FXNGI= Dy3-WKuyifj4KWtvvwT-EHPQ=24=C2=A0 ). > >> > >> You can enable Portability for =2425/month on your account page ( > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttps://starlink.com/account=5F=5F;=21= =21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5FXNGI= Dy3-WKuyifj4KWtvus-BPS0Q=24=C2=A0 ). Once > >> enabled, Portability will take effect immediately, and you can disab= le > >> Portability from your account page at any time. > >> > >> To learn more about Starlink Portability, please read our =46AQ page= ( > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttp://www.starlink.com/faq=5F=5F;=21= =21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5FXNGI= Dy3-WKuyifj4KWtvsNiQtW4A=24=C2=A0 ). > >> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttps://lists.bufferbloat.net/listin= fo/starlink=5F=5F;=21=21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjae= OYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5FXNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvvD4clvWQ=24 > >> > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --62748b0b_643c9869_2b7c Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I did a one hour drive test combined with a data lo= gger (calling it LeoBox for now), posted it compressed into 15=E2=80=99
ht= tps://youtu.be/UExU-=5FVHWjA

Best,

Mike
On May 6, 2022, 03:46 +0400, Larry = Press <lpress=40csudh.edu>, wrote:
>&=23160;In a week or two I'm going to take my dish out a= nd drive around for a few hours

Roaming in motion works -- see the updates at the end of thi= s post:&=23160;
https://circleid.com/posts/20220225-spacex-is-= testing-starlink-roaming
But it's not yet officially supported.

Elon Musk says it's working in Ukraine.

Stationary roaming, portability, is now officially = offered at extra cost and with some constraints:
https://su= pport.starlink.com/=3Ftopic=3D1426e78a-7384-0334-3fc0-ddf5a76d7afe

Larry

=46= rom: Starlink <starlink-bounces=40lists.bufferbloat.net> on beh= alf of David Lang <david=40lang.hm>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2022 2:21 AM
To: Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz>
Cc: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net <starlink=40lists.bufferbl= oat.net>
Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Portability Now Available (fwd)=
&=23160;
remember that starlink is getting coverage fro= m many satellites as they come
over, it's not like geostationary satellites that can aim specific antenn= as at
specific locations (i.e. 'spotbeams' are not a thing)


(just received the inverter I ordered, now to convert the plugs...)
=
I expect the waitlist is a combination of two things.

1. the number of subscribers already in the area
2. supply availability (I expect this is why Ukraine is a waitlist, they = have
supplied dishes to the government, but if you try to order one yourself, = you
would have to wait)

David Lang

On Thu, 5 May 2022, Ulrich Speidel wrote:

> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 19:40:01 +1200
> =46rom: Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz>
> To: starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: =5BStarlink=5D Portability Now Available (fwd)
>
> Cool. Very interesting=21 That's one pile of information all of a su= dden. They
> could do that more often IMHO.
>
> Nothing like official confirmation that the tropics are an almost > Starlink-free zone, and that places reasonably away from the 53rd pa= rallels
> are secondary service zones. They forgot their 50-odd terminals in T= onga (I
> heard yesterday about someone in the northern islands who brought a = dishy
> from overseas and found it didn't work... obviously believed the hea= dlines...
> sigh).
>
> Also interesting that there seems to be, finally, some sort of discl= osure on
> cell size. Someone will need to explain to me why there are waitlist= areas in
> the Auckland area surrounded by full service. The areas concerned ar= e rural,
> which you'd think they'd want to service with priority over our
> well-connected CBD... Too many subscribers there already, or not eno= ugh to
> warrant a spot beam=3F Similar soft spots near Sydney, holes in =46o= veaux Strait,
> the Hauraki Gulf, southeast of Murray Bridge in South Australia, sou= thern
> Chile, ... What do I read into this=3F Two-fold: Where it's near 53 = degrees,
> they're probably oversubscribed or lack terminal supply, or both. Wh= ere it's
> well away from 53 degrees, I'd guess they probably just lack satelli= te
> capacity full stop.
>
> Ukraine is waitlisted...=3F But wait - didn't Starlink just take ove= r the
> Internet there=3F Interesting also that one of the waitlist / no ser= vice areas
> in Germany is right where they had the floods & where Starlink g= ot deployed
> very publicly with (I understand) some success. Did the locals hang = on to the
> emergency dishys and does this now saturate the network there=3F And= what did
> the Greeks do to be all waitlisted=3F
>
> So what happens if you roam from a place with availability into a pl= ace with
> =22waitlist=22 status=3F Anyone with a dishy up for a road trip with= a story to
> tell=3F
>
> =2425/month sounds steep but is probably modest in comparison to the= roaming
> charges that some cellular providers charge.
>
> On 5/05/2022 7:00 pm, David Lang wrote:
>> received this Wednesday evening.
>> Makes sense,
>>
>> David Lang
>>
>> ---------- =46orwarded message ----------
>> Portability Now Available
>>
>> Starlink is excited to announce Portability as an add-on feature= for all
>> Starlink customers. Portability enables customers to temporarily= move their
>> Starlink to new locations and receive high-speed internet anywhe= re where
>> Starlink provides active coverage within the same continent. To = see active
>> coverage areas, please view the Starlink Availability Map (
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttp://www.starlink.com/map=5F=5F= ;=21=21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5F= XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvvwT-EHPQ=24&=23160; <https://urldefense.com/v3= /=5F=5Fhttp://www.starlink.com/map=5F=5F;=21=21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlP= LyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5FXNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvvwT-EHPQ=24 &= gt; ).
>>
>> You can enable Portability for =2425/month on your account page = (
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttps://starlink.com/account=5F=5F= ;=21=21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5F= XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvus-BPS0Q=24&=23160; <https://urldefense.com/v3= /=5F=5Fhttps://starlink.com/account=5F=5F;=21=21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUl= PLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5FXNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvus-BPS0Q=24 = > ). Once
>> enabled, Portability will take effect immediately, and you can d= isable
>> Portability from your account page at any time.
>>
>> To learn more about Starlink Portability, please read our =46AQ = page (
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/=5F=5Fhttp://www.starlink.com/faq=5F=5F= ;=21=21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5F= XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvsNiQtW4A=24&=23160; <https://urldefense.com/v3= /=5F=5Fhttp://www.starlink.com/faq=5F=5F;=21=21P7nkOOY=21sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlP= LyHWjevs2T7Wu=46V5ewjaeOYg3m3H3=5FmuO=5FXNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvsNiQtW4A=24 &= gt; ).
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