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auth=pass smtp.auth=CAU17A13 smtp.mailfrom=u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: auckland.ac.nz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------r30mflyJXhMdrW60Wme8HVXx" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Digest, Vol 12, Issue 6 X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2022 23:58:46 -0000 --------------r30mflyJXhMdrW60Wme8HVXx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/03/2022 6:07 am, Larry Press wrote: > > Starlinkcan't muster anywhere near enough satellite capacity to serve a= ll of a=20 > small town in Montana > > But it can serve the leaders of government and the resistance in=20 > communicating with each other and the outside world if normal=20 > connectivity becomes unavailable. But that's exactly the situation that would make it a party to the=20 conflict and its user a target. --=20 **************************************************************** Dr. Ulrich Speidel School of Computer Science Room 303S.594 (City Campus) The University of Auckland u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz =20 http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ **************************************************************** --------------r30mflyJXhMdrW60Wme8HVXx Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 5/03/2022 6:07 am, Larry Press wrote:
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> Starlink can't muster anywhere near enough satellite capacity to serve all of a small town in Montana 

But it can serve the leaders of government and the resistance in communicating with each other and the outside world if normal connectivity becomes unavailable.
But that's exactly the situation that would make it a party to the conflict and its user a target.
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Room 303S.594 (City Campus)

The University of Auckland
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