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From: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Larry Press <lpress@csudh.edu>,
	"starlink\@lists.bufferbloat.net"
	<starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:14:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <10211.1710537289@dyas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw6LhorECr_zkUGhw0AydEYxjenDjR4hasUFGz7k4OcBVA@mail.gmail.com>

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Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    > We made a point, easily demonstrable, that a 10Mbit link with 1ms
    > latency (to the nearest CDN) will outperforma 10Gbit link with 50ms.

Agreed.

    > I have now been trying to break the common conflation that download
    > "speed" means anything at all for day to day, minute to minute, second
    > to second, use, once you crack 10mbit, now, for over 14 years. Am I
    > succeeding? I lost the 25/10 battle, and keep pointing at really
    > terrible latency under load and wifi weirdnesses for many existing
    > 100/20 services today.

Yes. The problem starts with the geeks, who in my town seem to readily go for
the 100Mb/s FTTH (GPON) link from the incompetent incumbent telco rather than
the 50/10 VDSL from a competent ISP.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-15 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-15  3:53 Larry Press
2024-03-15  5:33 ` Dave Taht
2024-03-15 21:14   ` Michael Richardson [this message]
     [not found] <mailman.11.1710518402.17089.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-03-15 18:32 ` Colin  Higbie
2024-03-15 18:41   ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-15 19:53     ` Spencer Sevilla
2024-03-15 20:31       ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 17:18         ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-03-16 17:21           ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-03-16 17:36           ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-03-16 22:51             ` David Lang
2024-03-15 23:07       ` David Lang
2024-03-16 18:45         ` [Starlink] Itʼs " Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 23:05           ` David Lang
2024-03-17 15:47             ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 18:51         ` [Starlink] It?s " Gert Doering
2024-03-16 23:08           ` David Lang
2024-04-30  0:39   ` [Starlink] It’s " David Lang
     [not found] <mailman.2495.1710610618.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-03-16 19:10 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 19:32   ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-03-17 17:00   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-03-17 19:26     ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-04-30  9:54 David Fernández
     [not found] <mailman.2769.1714483871.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-04-30 14:00 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 14:25   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-04-30 14:32     ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-04-30 14:40       ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-04-30 14:45         ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-04-30 14:56           ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-04-30 15:04             ` David Lang
2024-04-30 15:01         ` David Lang
     [not found] <mailman.2773.1714488060.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-04-30 18:05 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 19:04   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  0:36     ` David Lang
2024-05-02  9:09     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-02  9:28       ` Ulrich Speidel
2024-04-30 20:05   ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-05-02  9:21     ` Alexandre Petrescu
     [not found] <mailman.2775.1714488970.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-04-30 19:12 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 19:31   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  0:33     ` David Lang
2024-05-01  0:31   ` David Lang
2024-05-01  0:40     ` [Starlink] It?s " David Lang
     [not found] <mailman.2779.1714503924.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-04-30 19:31 ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 19:51   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-04-30 21:07     ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 21:22       ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-04-30 22:02         ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:03           ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:05         ` [Starlink] Fwd: " Rich Brown
2024-04-30 22:10           ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:42             ` [Starlink] " Rich Brown
2024-04-30 23:06               ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:31           ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-04-30 21:22       ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-04-30 21:35         ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-04-30 21:53           ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  0:54             ` David Lang
2024-05-01  7:27             ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-01 19:26               ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-14 16:05                 ` Dave Taht
     [not found] <mailman.2785.1714507537.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-04-30 20:48 ` Colin  Higbie
2024-04-30 20:49   ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-01  0:51   ` David Lang
2024-05-01  8:41 [Starlink] It's " David Fernández
2024-05-01 16:35 David Fernández
     [not found] <mailman.2877.1714641707.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-05-02 14:47 ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin_Higbie
2024-05-02 19:50   ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-06 11:19     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-06 13:43       ` Nathan Owens
2024-05-06 15:22         ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-14 19:23       ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-15  6:52         ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-05-15 14:55           ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-03  1:48   ` Ulrich Speidel
2024-05-03  7:22     ` Jeremy Austin
2024-05-03  9:02     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-03  8:29   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-03  8:34   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-03  9:09 [Starlink] It's " David Fernández
2024-05-06 13:21 [Starlink] It’s " David Fernández
2024-05-06 15:42 David Fernández

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