From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AC353CB38 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyas.sandelman.ca (27-33-182-58.static.tpgi.com.au [27.33.182.58]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C81B1F449; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 21:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: relay.sandelman.ca; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=sandelman.ca header.i=@sandelman.ca header.b="Y2TpXH84"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AA385A13D8; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:14:49 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=sandelman.ca; s=dyas; t=1710537289; bh=JChzaZRvA8lwOjcyOK0eYIuxKwlmIHuIP8EI7y9snwc=; h=From:To:cc:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date:From; b=Y2TpXH84IZBnLDLvb+ciKS/8jbLOCNozw5Fei+4JgHMV6iuXOqiUpZh+34+UoGWi5 WO5XU32bcBxSp96vWhjxWqZl1lkDu2GO0Dvmji1K9gBMmBPEn4wbNYw0kI6QDr4CmD TSe9Ej6GguJ36yD8ec4RDzsCkMeVRHkK2ccBbQieaonsiGYcU8pKeLR2iQOWTIbxpL ttrh43hsi/ehsMubC/8dRjmrPPg03aeRyAtuvaK852O9rDPR0sSb0pTvMzbdjT0VAC /oZF15aUCQwdxK16BWo+0heyMEWkS0ZVifBaFC1dgCzD6xCPuyd2ioBn3pmt/5bsI/ xxA0Vmfyc+zdg== Received: from dyas (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A749FA0A86; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:14:49 +1000 (AEST) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Taht cc: Larry Press , "starlink\@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Dave Taht via Starlink message dated "Fri, 15 Mar 2024 01:33:48 -0400." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:14:49 +1000 Message-ID: <10211.1710537289@dyas> Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?It=E2=80=99s_the_Latency=2C_FCC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 21:14:58 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > We made a point, easily demonstrable, that a 10Mbit link with 1ms > latency (to the nearest CDN) will outperforma 10Gbit link with 50ms. Agreed. > I have now been trying to break the common conflation that download > "speed" means anything at all for day to day, minute to minute, second > to second, use, once you crack 10mbit, now, for over 14 years. Am I > succeeding? I lost the 25/10 battle, and keep pointing at really > terrible latency under load and wifi weirdnesses for many existing > 100/20 services today. Yes. The problem starts with the geeks, who in my town seem to readily go f= or the 100Mb/s FTTH (GPON) link from the incompetent incumbent telco rather th= an the 50/10 VDSL from a competent ISP. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEow/1qDVgAbWL2zxYcAKuwszYgEMFAmX0ukkACgkQcAKuwszY gEPFTAv+IfG6NlfKZ6t7OkZywjP+x3hU8iNyMdPxTjqB2zquYSrkJeF1hH3Hkam8 Rs9AoAAFj/xzW0B0VJgXJE7KzcKOVISlN63VkTtjfItGojGkgpW7iz3Jjpj/ABUp K5Za/NoI5ycvGCESfxlWCeDwCMwlBnPIbvPy/hqmdenXycJkUZacvoZqcyzUPK7e 7yL0XX7xHyw37sbNS28667lVgrHvKJmGo14SpPwY+R2aXCOGrdjCbSO2d+KlUn0Z ViQc6Bl4LRMEoxuyRawoT66FUE+ZQVIh/AL++f4mbWPqZ0a32w7O+0LBVmOlFOO1 YBSpCNgghJ1loLTgQEKxC5/3PqOnhHSFTii5bWApGP/DUuUT1b1VOLxK7KpHIp+d SvFCiUa+vqF2BYE1UVURe/m9wYv5ECjFz5H15+3k+5PIgZzQ+7lX/U1dTFNtpAGk mG+VcxR/Sxz8h4oOm5boXJJ4f2tn4oMO86PcCG4ld4r2e9nGmc8htQjOOpHpTkmt PyN2JY83 =x9vo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--