On 26/09/2023 11:46 pm, Noel Butler via Starlink wrote: > > On 25/09/2023 21:45, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: > >> The "RV" option available in Australia and NZ at this time is indeed >> the residential option without the cell lock. It's intended for >> stationary use and assumes that you have a mains (AC) power source. >> We've tried it here with the much taunted Yaosheng adapter, which >> however isn't 12V (it needs 42V) and which gave us a lot more outages >> than the Starlink router with Ethernet adapter. >> >> There is also a "mobility" option available here (or at least they >> offer sales consultations for it) that's shown mounted flat on the >> roof of a speeding 4WD and seems to be quite different from a >> residential class Dishy. Presumably that will run off 12V. Cost is >> significantly more than >> > At least two articles I've read tonight confirm they are still AC powered > The RV option is AC powered, yes. > > The significant cost is for the mobility "pro" version, one article > indicated 599 for the standard (I assume that's USD but can't confirm) > I think, as on this mailing list, that a lot of people confuse the RV (mobile in the sense that you can take it to other places) and the truly mobile version (usable *while* you move), so the "standard" is probably the standard residential unit on an RV subscription. > > So looks like we *still* have to void warranties and hack it for 12v. > We use it with a portable power station. >> >> meaning that most satellites Dishy talks to are more like 800 - 1000 >> km away. Near the Equator, Dishy will remain in "coffee table" >> position but avoid the geostationary arc, which also means that the >> sats it talks to are quite a bit off to the side all of the time. >> > Still a lot closer than 22km's up in the troposphere where Aus's NBN > sats are, hrmm, actually 22k's might even be the stratosphere, I'm > sure someone will correct me :) > Yes, that needs correction. Aus's NBN sats are geostationary, that's 35,756 km above the Equator, anything at 22 km would need to be a HAPS (under development in various places but not operational at this time) or face early demise because it's still very much in the atmosphere - some military jets fly as high as that, as did Concorde I think. Space starts at about 100 km. >> >> We've observed that our Dishy consumes more power during large >> downloads than during uploads, which suggests that transmit power isn't >> > Something to be mindful of then if that's the cases with all units, my > use cases are jitsi, VoIP, Weather, twatter, and odd youtube, I dont > have netflix or such, and for FTA TV, there's VAST and foxtel uses the > same satellite as VAST so ...yeah, there's that ;) > Which might just blow your cigarette lighter fuse - in some vehicles, these allow for as little as 8 amps (and most plugs get hot at that current, so there's an immediate voltage drop there). >> >> the main factor here. It appears that it's the signal processing that >> is needed to receive and demodulate the incoming signal with the high >> bit rate data stream that really eats the watts. >> > That doesn't sound well designed if thats the case, I mean we're only > talking a few hundred mbps on a consumer unit if you're lucky. > >> Incidentally, with more birds in the sky, Dishy seems to be willing >> to put up with a bit more obstruction nowadays: >> >> > If you have this level of obstruction at a permanent location, why not > put it up high in clear(er) view of the sky :) 1) Because my wife put it there while I was at APNIC56 ;-) She had visitors and needed the use of the outdoor table on which it lived until then (which had a much clearer view of the sky but has since moved from that hibernation location to a summer position where it hasn't). 2) Can do, but by the looks of it I don't need to. > -- > > Regards, > Noel Butler > > This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged > information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject > to copyright protected under international law. You may not > disseminate this message without the authors express written authority > to do so.   If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the > sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments > immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not > waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > -- **************************************************************** Dr. Ulrich Speidel School of Computer Science Room 303S.594 (City Campus) The University of Auckland u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ ****************************************************************