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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: 'starlink' <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"e-impact@ietf.org" <e-impact@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:12:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13368.1681999968@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SY4PR01MB697983BB5DEB1B2AA0B2690BCE639@SY4PR01MB6979.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

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Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
    > Where do I even start? The lack of substantial bandwidth between space
    > and ground? The extra latency between ground and space compared to
    > terrestrial cloud, especially as terrestrial cloud edge can move much
    > closer to customers when space can't? The fact that every LEO satellite
    > is both a few 100 km from every customer and out of the customer's
    > range depending on when you look? That low temperatures in space don't
    > mean superconductive chips that produce zero heat, and that that heat
    > is difficult to get rid of in space? That generating power in space is
    > orders of magnitude more expensive than on the ground?

Oh, yeah, you are totally right on all of these points.
* Not all DC processing is user-facing though!
* Some are just pure compute loads.
* Some of the customers for these DCs might be in space in the future.

    > Just because Starlink can provide a service somewhere between DSL and
    > low to medium grade fibre to a few million around the globe it's not
    > "done". Even with 10x the number of satellites and a couple of times
    > the current capacity per satellite, Starlink isn't going to supply more
    > than a couple of 100 million at best, and that's not even accounting
    > for growth in demand from IOT...

Agreed.

I think that the useful/interesting result of this effort will be a
peer-reviewed model with some parameters that can be plugged into.
At 2025 prices, space-DC might not be useful.
Perhaps at 2035 prices, the balance might change.




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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide





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      reply	other threads:[~2023-04-20 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-13 16:34 [Starlink] fiber IXPs in space David Fernández
2023-04-13 17:22 ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-13 18:54   ` David Fernández
2023-04-13 20:01     ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-13 20:06       ` Tom Evslin
2023-04-19 23:34       ` [Starlink] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space) Michael Richardson
2023-04-20  1:12         ` tom
2023-04-20  1:16           ` Vint Cerf
     [not found]             ` <ZECsG+Ldro3V5+/4@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
2023-04-20  3:25               ` [Starlink] [E-impact] " Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20  5:43             ` Daniel Schien
2023-04-20  9:31               ` Chris Adams
2023-04-20 12:50                 ` Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20 12:51                   ` Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-27  3:13                 ` Eugene Y Chang
2023-04-20 11:10               ` Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20 11:23                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-04-20 11:24                 ` David Lang
2023-04-20 12:06                 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-04-20 21:21                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-04-20 12:14                 ` tom
2023-04-20 14:36                 ` Rodney W. Grimes
2023-04-20 14:18               ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-27  3:50               ` David Lang
2023-04-20 11:25             ` [Starlink] " Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20 11:27               ` Nathan Owens
2023-04-20 11:34                 ` Mike Puchol
2023-04-20 14:21                   ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-20  4:33           ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-04-20 14:12             ` Michael Richardson [this message]

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