From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [206.220.231.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B69F3CB37 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 07:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from secmail.pch.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SRdX51JKfz4xgnF for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:33:09 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: secmail.pch.net (amavisd-new); dkim=pass reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=pch.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pch.net; h= x-mailer:to:references:message-id:date:in-reply-to:from:subject :mime-version:content-type; s=secmail_dkim; t=1699619587; x= 1702211588; bh=lDi11SPn/fUzVA65GHjotxSKUSt0jSwXJ7WK2vkWCGs=; b=F qUJn3I7UquSYbxyHE6shysUlKQv+wD+LIjbY7yubjeRWKvsBRsN+9WFa7erpzolV 7TM7wEw+psl+EQp2XKdKKq8R5d91sMRViJ2TWQvT+tDtgvkvbH7zbWouJvLKLCBK cN3+nGcJ9fBwOxs57bcvUG8pXsyIUc71f8bh9Zn9N3sV29z0q0VSs5I5k7fVRmv/ Byb0fUUu939Qj7vGDGqFL13oniTyMPWg3exE6etWifBARuHEY08xshdM558vuWdF 043N82kFXthj2UVv/VitlNmqY6e3cfp1n/5sq8GJ5nEYIbrlyVGYVOk8edjADuIP cxy3uHRVnwZFOb4CFB/IQ== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at secmail.pch.net Received: from secmail.pch.net ([127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id tZBZX8vNNHMT for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [66.185.123.190]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SRdX31kTSz4xgn0; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:33:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EAA9CF33-4EC6-4846-AA7E-816AFE65236C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) From: Bill Woodcock In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 13:33:03 +0100 Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= Message-Id: <13641F2C-B933-49AF-8289-7B8917667AAE@pch.net> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 08:16:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] one dish per household is silly. X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:33:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EAA9CF33-4EC6-4846-AA7E-816AFE65236C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 10, 2023, at 12:44, Dave Taht via Nnagain = wrote: > Steve song's analysis here: > https://manypossibilities.net/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/ He makes some good points. > A) Am I the only person left in the world that shares his wifi? My neighbors and I do. > A single dishy can easily serve dozens of people But that=E2=80=99s a different question than whether Starlink=E2=80=99s = contract _allows_ you to share it. The contract does not. So I think saying that it=E2=80=99s a good thing because it=E2=80=99s = good when you don=E2=80=99t follow the rules is=E2=80=A6 well, perhaps a = little too much of a stretch for a general argument. > I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of people as = one example. And if Musk weren=E2=80=99t cutting Starlink connectivity for Ukrainian = defensive uses, those refugee centers wouldn=E2=80=99t have so many = people in them. And, more to the point, Ukrainian graveyards wouldn=E2=80= =99t have so many people in them. As always, the Musk-vs.-Tesla and Musk-vs.-SpaceX conflicts are tricky = to sort out, and may not yield any more broadly-applicable principles. -Bill --Apple-Mail=_EAA9CF33-4EC6-4846-AA7E-816AFE65236C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEm6XJ0FdpKWJHso4lb6RwSyiLf4cFAmVOIv8ACgkQb6RwSyiL f4dwhRAAojCKtsCf4p//E0Kd8MhuC6uHJzpleO+ZXPcU9WycrB+d8wy5LGs2bKYs 2cJOVA6ntGxaGI+T+0mKcNhwRe/63VVDbFhiJRbDu7ksjaQX6j3TwvZF3vU0wY/R QzeDd/CCpIYhMTJwwLmNR+1OLr4o5eXZE1l/65jDBGSiz3ssxiF97xVN9TJkT0JC Ksn7MUT3IscUBvecR3Y8017z/bzGu0SfVf811IAMEF59HI3hLMXDWYYdcJy5EMf3 V6iK0+r49NiTDu/EDIL2c6lQKUibAW89IJ3dV3gaP/nxD6LNC3XBmuTU4h4qZKlw OjlnGGA9aXYLSeGR96ZJbKp4rNhxecOH7c9sYW2+LQJrFqXIM+vlW1Ut/MsWWRGF pJXvl6kNfUYUvrQ+JfkQerdyAz+0mlvBqEM4oiIHo8Sr+WsHjaNGMaSkN/8Je/BN yYzTaEtS++xlM6OXLsNGByJGUc7JHouTcQK3Gdsta/hWBuSpt/QKjJzd52YM4D/L 89XE6/4CwBOnN1aCdrHTUwzyuC2W1ZfZZE1GSoaBAafsyLO0NXjndxu9aWFg7WqX eLaGM46NNLtJh4w14VnYPBjsQfQjaGBu5YAE7luXm1FR3jTDW/rlik0U2ui3pUYG fOn2VDp908YraNg49T/T+uUZolrM44YrvU16v0Yo0NMkN/ygrl8= =iReL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_EAA9CF33-4EC6-4846-AA7E-816AFE65236C--