From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cmail.nextlayer.at (cmail.nextlayer.at [IPv6:2a01:190:1600:2164::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8411B3CB52 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2023 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Mailerdaemon) with ESMTPSA id ED3BE42F91 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2023 18:46:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1443dd3b-67b1-4ace-a71c-26728b1632e0@falco.ca> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:46:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-CA, de-AT To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net References: From: Daniel AJ Sokolov In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: TLSv1.3 Subject: Re: [Starlink] "Interesting set of developments with Starlink. Musk says they will support "international aid orgs" in Gaza, Israel now says they will use "all available means" to stop SpaceX from doing so. X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 17:46:18 -0000 On 2023-10-29 at 09:26, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > I think that the internet should stay up, connecting people to people, > through all the conflicts we may ever have. Indeed, if the internet had stayed up, Israel and Gaza would not be in the situation they are today. The first thing the Hamas attacked were not people, or bridges, but the communication infrastructure of the villages. That enabled the Hamas to kill some 1400 people, mostly civilians, and take hundreds of hostages, mostly civilians, in a few hours. Without communications, the IDF was deaf and blind. (Why did they not have or use analogue radios?) However, if we could create an international rule to not disable communications, and then get terrorist groups like the Hamas to obey it, we could probably prevent terrorist groups like the Hamas from targeting civilians, taking civilians as hostages, using hospitals and schools as shields, etc. All of that is already outlawed. So don't hold your breath. Communications will generally be one of the first targets in any armed conflict. It has been like that for a very long time. There is an irony in this: Wasn't the internet a military project meant to survive armageddon? BR Daniel AJ