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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Daniel Schien <Daniel.Schien@bristol.ac.uk>
Cc: Vint Cerf <vint=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>,
	"tom@evslin.com" <tom@evslin.com>,
	starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"e-impact@ietf.org" <e-impact@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] [E-impact] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:18:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <14485.1682000280@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB9PR06MB8843FFD2FF2CC041D2AE1916A4639@DB9PR06MB8843.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

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Daniel Schien <Daniel.Schien@bristol.ac.uk> wrote:
    > I assume any object in orbit will be hidden from the sun some of the
    > time. So, the machines will require some pretty big battery to go up
    > with them.

Why would we do that?  Make the orbits polar/sun-synchronous.

While GEO is pretty busy, I wonder if there are other interesting orbits.
Obviously, Lagrange points are one set, but are there half-GEO or 2xGEO
orbits that are somehow useful?

One point I got from Geoff Houston's talk on PING which I didn't understand
clearly before was that LEO wasn't just close to use, but that it was much
better protected from radiation.

    > "Data centers are big energy consumers – between 2% and 3% of all
    > global consumption – a rate that is doubling every year."

Back in 2000 the coal industry did a "study" that explained how coal was
critical to Internet growth.  Their modelling assumed every home router used
the same power as a Cisco 7000 series 14U router.

    > The latest was IEA estimating it to be around 220-320 TWh (out of
    > 30,000) in 2021 data and growing between 10-60% over 6 years in total
    > (so let's than 10 CAGR). But it's certainly not doubling every
    > year. That's just completely wrong.

+1
A related number is density: what's the power required/gigaflop?
And when will countries start rating themselves by gigaflops rather than tons
of steel or barrels of oil?

{You down the street from Bistol Aerospace?}

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide





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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-20 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-13 16:34 [Starlink] fiber IXPs in space David Fernández
2023-04-13 17:22 ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-13 18:54   ` David Fernández
2023-04-13 20:01     ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-13 20:06       ` Tom Evslin
2023-04-19 23:34       ` [Starlink] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space) Michael Richardson
2023-04-20  1:12         ` tom
2023-04-20  1:16           ` Vint Cerf
     [not found]             ` <ZECsG+Ldro3V5+/4@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
2023-04-20  3:25               ` [Starlink] [E-impact] " Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20  5:43             ` Daniel Schien
2023-04-20  9:31               ` Chris Adams
2023-04-20 12:50                 ` Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20 12:51                   ` Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-27  3:13                 ` Eugene Y Chang
2023-04-20 11:10               ` Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20 11:23                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-04-20 11:24                 ` David Lang
2023-04-20 12:06                 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-04-20 21:21                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-04-20 12:14                 ` tom
2023-04-20 14:36                 ` Rodney W. Grimes
2023-04-20 14:18               ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2023-04-27  3:50               ` David Lang
2023-04-20 11:25             ` [Starlink] " Hesham ElBakoury
2023-04-20 11:27               ` Nathan Owens
2023-04-20 11:34                 ` Mike Puchol
2023-04-20 14:21                   ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-20  4:33           ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-04-20 14:12             ` Michael Richardson
     [not found] <mailman.128.1682362805.60209.e-impact@ietf.org>
2023-04-24 20:59 ` [Starlink] [E-impact] " Priyanka Sinha
2023-04-27  3:18   ` Eugene Chang

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