Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering

[Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>]

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Hmmmm….. is ground station positioning more about geographic topology or managing subscriber density? I suspect it is easier to manage subscriber density (and aggregate traffic) by building higher capacity ground stations than by distributing ground stations.

Gene
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Eugene Chang
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> On Sep 28, 2022, at 11:14 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
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> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
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>>> On Sep 29, 2022, at 09:50, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good point… that sure makes matching new capacity to new subscribers really hard.
>> 
>> 	[SM] Or easy: "just" add more satellites ;) some of the added capacity should also end up at new subscribers... SCNR
> 
> yep, which is what they are doing. ;-)
> 
> there is some that they can do in terms of the ground station positioning, density, and connectivity.
> 
> David Lang
> 
>> Regards
>> 	Sebastian
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Gene
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> Eugene Chang
>>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org
>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:29 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> that strip of land is different every orbit, a given satellite doesn't pass over the same land each orbit.
>>>> 
>>>> David Lang
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000
>>>>> From: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
>>>>> To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
>>>>> Cc: Eugene Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>, Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com>,
>>>>>   Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering
>>>>> Yes and no.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depending on your definition of “one area” when you say “not in any one area”.
>>>>> Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where the strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) satellites.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, when I say “add service to an area”, it implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new satellite orbit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink <https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gene
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>> Eugene Chang
>>>>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>>>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org
>>>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up the contellation overall, not in any one area.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Lang
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000
>>>>>>> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
>>>>>>> To: Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering
>>>>>>> What is the definition and differences between regular and best effort service?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more “real”. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the constellation (i.e. where to add capacity).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Eugene Chang
>>>>>>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>>>>>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org
>>>>>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received an email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, I decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). You can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have anything to lose.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> According to https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US <https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US>, latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to congestion.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mike
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