* [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
@ 2022-04-17 1:39 Dave Taht
2022-04-17 14:35 ` jordan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dave Taht @ 2022-04-17 1:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: flent-users, bloat, starlink
if anyone has a bit of spare time this holiday, I'd like to collect a
few results from various networks around the web this week, not just
on the turris. Example command line and outputs here:
https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/
--
I tried to build a better future, a few times:
https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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* Re: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
2022-04-17 1:39 [Starlink] an rtt_fair test? Dave Taht
@ 2022-04-17 14:35 ` jordan
2022-04-17 14:56 ` Dave Taht
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: jordan @ 2022-04-17 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Dave Taht', 'flent-users', 'bloat', starlink
Hi Dave,
This isn't specifically cake related but I figured it could be interesting, especially as these are from a location where I've been investigating setting up something with cake. These are statistics from a relatives location where they only have a DSL line from CenturyLink available to them. There's a little Debian based VM I setup for a couple random things so I was able to run flent from that. They have a EdgeRouter X serving as the router so they can at least take advantage of fq_codel through the routers Smart Queue feature. I ran a quick speed test, then ran flent without sqm, and then with sqm. Sorry if this gets a bit long and hopefully it stays readable.
#############
Speedtest by Ookla
Server: 123.Net, Inc. - Southfield, MI (id = 15044)
ISP: CenturyLink
Latency: 45.45 ms (194.34 ms jitter)
Download: 8.88 Mbps (data used: 12.6 MB )
Upload: 0.64 Mbps (data used: 962.7 kB )
Packet Loss: 5.1%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/799ba46b-d3d4-4d54-ac76-118fac847b73
###########
No SQM or QOS
flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be
Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
Data file written to ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T145553.865990.nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 13:55:53.865990
Title: 'nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
avg median # data pts
Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1026.06 920.00 ms 1383
Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1009.28 887.00 ms 1383
Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1121.09 1012.00 ms 1383
Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 943.77 853.00 ms 1383
Ping (ms) avg : 1025.05 N/A ms 1383
TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 2.00 Mbits/s 1383
TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.72 0.65 Mbits/s 1383
TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.03 1.74 Mbits/s 1383
TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 2.11 2.88 Mbits/s 1383
TCP download avg : 1.30 N/A Mbits/s 1383
TCP download fairness : 0.86 N/A Mbits/s 1383
TCP download sum : 5.22 N/A Mbits/s 1383
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 16.85 14.00 1044
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.12 1036
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.35 0.26 1042
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1128.57 954.47 1020
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 68.22 50.08 1020
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.15 Mbits/s 1383
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.33 11.00 1046
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.11 1041
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.38 0.26 1044
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1166.74 991.48 1043
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 79.99 68.27 1043
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.07 0.13 Mbits/s 1383
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 13.60 9.00 1042
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.07 0.08 1013
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.23 0.20 1031
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1302.23 1129.07 967
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 113.67 98.84 967
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.11 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.55 11.00 1038
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.11 0.10 1035
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.32 0.23 1036
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1094.64 887.54 1033
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 67.20 59.16 1033
TCP upload avg : 0.10 N/A Mbits/s 1383
TCP upload fairness : 0.96 N/A Mbits/s 1383
TCP upload sum : 0.42 N/A Mbits/s 1383
##########
with smart queue (fq_codel) on the EdgeRouter
flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be
Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
Data file written to ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T150339.549817.fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 14:03:39.549817
Title: 'fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
avg median # data pts
Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 392.93 208.00 ms 1384
Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 373.94 196.00 ms 1384
Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 508.15 319.00 ms 1384
Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 346.23 152.00 ms 1384
Ping (ms) avg : 405.31 N/A ms 1384
TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 1.62 Mbits/s 1384
TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1.47 1.63 Mbits/s 1384
TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.55 1.60 Mbits/s 1384
TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 1.50 1.80 Mbits/s 1384
TCP download avg : 1.47 N/A Mbits/s 1384
TCP download fairness : 1.00 N/A Mbits/s 1384
TCP download sum : 5.88 N/A Mbits/s 1384
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.85 Mbits/s 1384
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.50 4.00 1035
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1030
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.15 1032
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 458.11 318.82 1027
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 95.76 61.88 1027
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.93 Mbits/s 1384
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.17 4.00 1038
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1033
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.14 1036
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 452.67 322.49 1033
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 96.87 64.28 1033
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.06 0.44 Mbits/s 1384
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.16 4.00 1040
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.06 0.06 1031
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.12 0.11 1036
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 577.75 438.61 1027
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 107.05 72.97 1027
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.10 1.48 Mbits/s 1384
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.45 4.00 1020
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.09 0.09 1017
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.21 0.16 1019
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 439.05 285.86 1018
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 81.90 56.33 1018
TCP upload avg : 0.08 N/A Mbits/s 1384
TCP upload fairness : 0.97 N/A Mbits/s 1384
TCP upload sum : 0.34 N/A Mbits/s 1384
EdgeRouter Settings
smart-queue DSL {
download {
ecn enable
flows 1024
fq-quantum 300
limit 10240
rate 8mbit
}
upload {
ecn enable
flows 1024
fq-quantum 300
limit 10240
rate 600kbit
target 15ms
}
wan-interface pppoe0
Also, here's the VMs qdisc settings. Which I now realize probably aren't the best
sysctl -a | grep qdisc
net.core.default_qdisc = pfifo_fast
tc -s qdisc
qdisc noqueue 0: dev lo root refcnt 2
Sent 0 bytes 0 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0)
backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
qdisc mq 0: dev eth0 root
Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0)
backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
qdisc pfifo_fast 0: dev eth0 parent :1 bands 3 priomap 1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0)
backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
-Jordan
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Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:40 PM
To: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
if anyone has a bit of spare time this holiday, I'd like to collect a few results from various networks around the web this week, not just on the turris. Example command line and outputs here:
https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/
--
I tried to build a better future, a few times:
https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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* Re: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
2022-04-17 14:35 ` jordan
@ 2022-04-17 14:56 ` Dave Taht
2022-04-17 15:36 ` jordan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dave Taht @ 2022-04-17 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: flent-users, bloat, starlink
Thank you for testing!!! If you could stash the *.flent.gz files
somewhere I could get at, that would be great. You can also browse the
plots using the flent-gui to see more detail over time.
Cake, long available as an out of tree build for the edgerouter, has
both dsl compensation and an ack-filter which would help A LOT, in
your case. i wish I'd pushed harder to get dsl compensation into the
edgerouter smart queues code...
https://community.ui.com/questions/Cake-compiled-for-the-EdgeRouter-devices/fc1ff27c-f321-4344-8737-fcc755cae8a2
Given your 500kbit upload speed the minimum latency inflation under
the structure of this test (4 upload flows) should have been around
150ms (4 * 25ms + ack overhead), but without looking at the *.gz files
I don't know what your baseline latency was to any of these sites. (it
would be good if flent reported on the text output what the minimum
actually was)
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 7:35 AM <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> This isn't specifically cake related but I figured it could be interesting, especially as these are from a location where I've been investigating setting up something with cake. These are statistics from a relatives location where they only have a DSL line from CenturyLink available to them. There's a little Debian based VM I setup for a couple random things so I was able to run flent from that. They have a EdgeRouter X serving as the router so they can at least take advantage of fq_codel through the routers Smart Queue feature. I ran a quick speed test, then ran flent without sqm, and then with sqm. Sorry if this gets a bit long and hopefully it stays readable.
>
> #############
> Speedtest by Ookla
>
> Server: 123.Net, Inc. - Southfield, MI (id = 15044)
> ISP: CenturyLink
> Latency: 45.45 ms (194.34 ms jitter)
> Download: 8.88 Mbps (data used: 12.6 MB )
> Upload: 0.64 Mbps (data used: 962.7 kB )
> Packet Loss: 5.1%
> Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/799ba46b-d3d4-4d54-ac76-118fac847b73
>
> ###########
> No SQM or QOS
>
> flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be
> Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> Data file written to ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T145553.865990.nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
>
> Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 13:55:53.865990
> Title: 'nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
>
> avg median # data pts
> Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1026.06 920.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1009.28 887.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1121.09 1012.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 943.77 853.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) avg : 1025.05 N/A ms 1383
> TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 2.00 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.72 0.65 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.03 1.74 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 2.11 2.88 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download avg : 1.30 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download fairness : 0.86 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download sum : 5.22 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 16.85 14.00 1044
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.12 1036
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.35 0.26 1042
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1128.57 954.47 1020
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 68.22 50.08 1020
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.15 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.33 11.00 1046
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.11 1041
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.38 0.26 1044
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1166.74 991.48 1043
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 79.99 68.27 1043
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.07 0.13 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 13.60 9.00 1042
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.07 0.08 1013
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.23 0.20 1031
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1302.23 1129.07 967
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 113.67 98.84 967
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.11 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.55 11.00 1038
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.11 0.10 1035
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.32 0.23 1036
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1094.64 887.54 1033
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 67.20 59.16 1033
> TCP upload avg : 0.10 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload fairness : 0.96 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload sum : 0.42 N/A Mbits/s 1383
>
> ##########
> with smart queue (fq_codel) on the EdgeRouter
>
> flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be
> Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> Data file written to ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T150339.549817.fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
>
> Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 14:03:39.549817
> Title: 'fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
>
> avg median # data pts
> Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 392.93 208.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 373.94 196.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 508.15 319.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 346.23 152.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) avg : 405.31 N/A ms 1384
> TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 1.62 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1.47 1.63 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.55 1.60 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 1.50 1.80 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download avg : 1.47 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download fairness : 1.00 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download sum : 5.88 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.85 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.50 4.00 1035
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1030
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.15 1032
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 458.11 318.82 1027
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 95.76 61.88 1027
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.93 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.17 4.00 1038
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1033
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.14 1036
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 452.67 322.49 1033
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 96.87 64.28 1033
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.06 0.44 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.16 4.00 1040
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.06 0.06 1031
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.12 0.11 1036
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 577.75 438.61 1027
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 107.05 72.97 1027
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.10 1.48 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.45 4.00 1020
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.09 0.09 1017
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.21 0.16 1019
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 439.05 285.86 1018
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 81.90 56.33 1018
> TCP upload avg : 0.08 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload fairness : 0.97 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload sum : 0.34 N/A Mbits/s 1384
>
>
> EdgeRouter Settings
>
> smart-queue DSL {
> download {
> ecn enable
> flows 1024
> fq-quantum 300
> limit 10240
> rate 8mbit
> }
> upload {
> ecn enable
> flows 1024
> fq-quantum 300
> limit 10240
> rate 600kbit
> target 15ms
> }
> wan-interface pppoe0
>
> Also, here's the VMs qdisc settings. Which I now realize probably aren't the best
>
> sysctl -a | grep qdisc
> net.core.default_qdisc = pfifo_fast
>
> tc -s qdisc
> qdisc noqueue 0: dev lo root refcnt 2
> Sent 0 bytes 0 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0)
> backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
> qdisc mq 0: dev eth0 root
> Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0)
> backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
> qdisc pfifo_fast 0: dev eth0 parent :1 bands 3 priomap 1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
> Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0)
> backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
>
>
>
> -Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave Taht
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:40 PM
> To: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
>
> if anyone has a bit of spare time this holiday, I'd like to collect a few results from various networks around the web this week, not just on the turris. Example command line and outputs here:
>
> https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/
>
> --
> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
2022-04-17 14:56 ` Dave Taht
@ 2022-04-17 15:36 ` jordan
2022-04-17 16:54 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " Daniel Sterling
2022-04-18 0:22 ` [Starlink] " Dave Taht
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: jordan @ 2022-04-17 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Dave Taht'; +Cc: 'flent-users', 'bloat', starlink
You're welcome! Here's the files Flent generated: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqoSQXX444OWLvl8FQ?e=f22Nt7
And thanks for the link! It honestly doesn't look too bad to implement so I might give it a shot today if time allows.
I've also been contemplating replacing it with something like a Mikrotik since cake is now integrated into them. I've been testing one at home and made a post with a bunch of flent tests to the cake thread in their forum if you're interested in some data from a Charter Spectrum cable connection: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p925485
The OneDrive link to my flent files should still be active in that post as well.
-Jordan
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 10:57 AM
To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com>
Cc: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
Thank you for testing!!! If you could stash the *.flent.gz files somewhere I could get at, that would be great. You can also browse the plots using the flent-gui to see more detail over time.
Cake, long available as an out of tree build for the edgerouter, has both dsl compensation and an ack-filter which would help A LOT, in your case. i wish I'd pushed harder to get dsl compensation into the edgerouter smart queues code...
https://community.ui.com/questions/Cake-compiled-for-the-EdgeRouter-devices/fc1ff27c-f321-4344-8737-fcc755cae8a2
Given your 500kbit upload speed the minimum latency inflation under the structure of this test (4 upload flows) should have been around 150ms (4 * 25ms + ack overhead), but without looking at the *.gz files I don't know what your baseline latency was to any of these sites. (it would be good if flent reported on the text output what the minimum actually was)
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 7:35 AM <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> This isn't specifically cake related but I figured it could be interesting, especially as these are from a location where I've been investigating setting up something with cake. These are statistics from a relatives location where they only have a DSL line from CenturyLink available to them. There's a little Debian based VM I setup for a couple random things so I was able to run flent from that. They have a EdgeRouter X serving as the router so they can at least take advantage of fq_codel through the routers Smart Queue feature. I ran a quick speed test, then ran flent without sqm, and then with sqm. Sorry if this gets a bit long and hopefully it stays readable.
>
> #############
> Speedtest by Ookla
>
> Server: 123.Net, Inc. - Southfield, MI (id = 15044)
> ISP: CenturyLink
> Latency: 45.45 ms (194.34 ms jitter)
> Download: 8.88 Mbps (data used: 12.6 MB )
> Upload: 0.64 Mbps (data used: 962.7 kB )
> Packet Loss: 5.1%
> Result URL:
> https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/799ba46b-d3d4-4d54-ac76-118fac847b7
> 3
>
> ###########
> No SQM or QOS
>
> flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H
> london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> Data file written to
> ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T145553.865990.nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_
> 500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
>
> Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 13:55:53.865990
> Title: 'nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
>
> avg median # data pts
> Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1026.06 920.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1009.28 887.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1121.09 1012.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 943.77 853.00 ms 1383
> Ping (ms) avg : 1025.05 N/A ms 1383
> TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 2.00 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.72 0.65 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.03 1.74 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 2.11 2.88 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download avg : 1.30 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download fairness : 0.86 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP download sum : 5.22 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 16.85 14.00 1044
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.12 1036
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.35 0.26 1042
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1128.57 954.47 1020
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 68.22 50.08 1020
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.15 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.33 11.00 1046
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.11 1041
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.38 0.26 1044
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1166.74 991.48 1043
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 79.99 68.27 1043
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.07 0.13 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 13.60 9.00 1042
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.07 0.08 1013
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.23 0.20 1031
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1302.23 1129.07 967
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 113.67 98.84 967
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.11 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.55 11.00 1038
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.11 0.10 1035
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.32 0.23 1036
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1094.64 887.54 1033
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 67.20 59.16 1033
> TCP upload avg : 0.10 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload fairness : 0.96 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> TCP upload sum : 0.42 N/A Mbits/s 1383
>
> ##########
> with smart queue (fq_codel) on the EdgeRouter
>
> flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H
> london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> Data file written to
> ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T150339.549817.fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdow
> n_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
>
> Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 14:03:39.549817
> Title: 'fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
>
> avg median # data pts
> Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 392.93 208.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 373.94 196.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 508.15 319.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 346.23 152.00 ms 1384
> Ping (ms) avg : 405.31 N/A ms 1384
> TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 1.62 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1.47 1.63 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.55 1.60 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 1.50 1.80 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download avg : 1.47 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download fairness : 1.00 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP download sum : 5.88 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.85 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.50 4.00 1035
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1030
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.15 1032
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 458.11 318.82 1027
> TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 95.76 61.88 1027
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.93 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.17 4.00 1038
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1033
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.14 1036
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 452.67 322.49 1033
> TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 96.87 64.28 1033
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.06 0.44 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.16 4.00 1040
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.06 0.06 1031
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.12 0.11 1036
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 577.75 438.61 1027
> TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 107.05 72.97 1027
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.10 1.48 Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.45 4.00 1020
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.09 0.09 1017
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.21 0.16 1019
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 439.05 285.86 1018
> TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 81.90 56.33 1018
> TCP upload avg : 0.08 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload fairness : 0.97 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> TCP upload sum : 0.34 N/A Mbits/s 1384
>
>
> EdgeRouter Settings
>
> smart-queue DSL {
> download {
> ecn enable
> flows 1024
> fq-quantum 300
> limit 10240
> rate 8mbit
> }
> upload {
> ecn enable
> flows 1024
> fq-quantum 300
> limit 10240
> rate 600kbit
> target 15ms
> }
> wan-interface pppoe0
>
> Also, here's the VMs qdisc settings. Which I now realize probably
> aren't the best
>
> sysctl -a | grep qdisc
> net.core.default_qdisc = pfifo_fast
>
> tc -s qdisc
> qdisc noqueue 0: dev lo root refcnt 2
> Sent 0 bytes 0 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) backlog 0b
> 0p requeues 0 qdisc mq 0: dev eth0 root Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt
> (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 qdisc
> pfifo_fast 0: dev eth0 parent :1 bands 3 priomap 1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1
> 1 1 1 1 1 Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0
> requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
>
>
>
> -Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of
> Dave Taht
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:40 PM
> To: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat
> <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
>
> if anyone has a bit of spare time this holiday, I'd like to collect a few results from various networks around the web this week, not just on the turris. Example command line and outputs here:
>
> https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/
>
> --
> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>
--
I tried to build a better future, a few times:
https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] an rtt_fair test?
2022-04-17 15:36 ` jordan
@ 2022-04-17 16:54 ` Daniel Sterling
2022-04-18 0:22 ` [Starlink] " Dave Taht
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Sterling @ 2022-04-17 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jordan; +Cc: Dave Taht, starlink, flent-users, bloat
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test from my network running customized openwrt w/ cake
tar file here:
rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T124830.462924.dss-cake.f...
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MzuHQfEsl7xQFXe0F7n506KYhRAE4jXI/view?usp=drive_web>
root@DESKTOP-DLUP89P:~# flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H
de.starlink.taht.net -H london.starlink.taht.net -H s
ingapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t 'dss-cake'
rtt_fair4be
Started Flent 1.3.2 using Python 3.8.10.
Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
Data file written to
./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T124830.462924.dss-cake.flent.gz.
Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 16:48:30.462924
Title: 'dss-cake'
avg median # data pts
Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net :
119.54 114.00 ms 1398
Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net :
107.97 104.00 ms 1398
Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
272.62 268.00 ms 1398
Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
89.15 84.60 ms 1398
Ping (ms) avg :
147.32 N/A ms 1398
TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net :
25.01 24.81 Mbits/s 1398
TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net :
23.00 22.75 Mbits/s 1398
TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
20.26 21.01 Mbits/s 1398
TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
35.64 32.94 Mbits/s 1398
TCP download avg :
25.98 N/A Mbits/s 1398
TCP download fairness :
0.95 N/A Mbits/s 1398
TCP download sum :
103.91 N/A Mbits/s 1398
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net :
7.76 8.00 Mbits/s 1398
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
88.38 91.00 1067
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
7.52 7.57 1064
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
9.82 9.73 1066
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
130.68 125.68 1062
TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
5.38 4.25 1062
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net :
7.53 7.91 Mbits/s 1398
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
78.47 81.00 1059
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
7.26 7.34 1056
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
9.48 9.45 1057
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
120.05 114.79 1056
TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
5.25 4.15 1056
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
3.98 4.23 Mbits/s 1398
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
100.96 105.00 1066
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
3.95 4.10 1056
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
5.07 5.15 1061
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
291.42 286.12 1060
TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
7.62 5.64 1060
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
8.41 8.56 Mbits/s 1398
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
75.40 73.00 1060
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
8.04 8.00 1057
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
10.62 10.31 1058
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
103.74 98.50 1057
TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
4.97 3.96 1057
TCP upload avg :
6.92 N/A Mbits/s 1398
TCP upload fairness :
0.94 N/A Mbits/s 1398
TCP upload sum :
27.68 N/A Mbits/s 1398
root@DESKTOP-DLUP89P:~#
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 11:36 AM jordan--- via Bloat <
bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> You're welcome! Here's the files Flent generated:
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqoSQXX444OWLvl8FQ?e=f22Nt7
>
> And thanks for the link! It honestly doesn't look too bad to implement so
> I might give it a shot today if time allows.
>
> I've also been contemplating replacing it with something like a Mikrotik
> since cake is now integrated into them. I've been testing one at home and
> made a post with a bunch of flent tests to the cake thread in their forum
> if you're interested in some data from a Charter Spectrum cable connection:
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p925485
>
> The OneDrive link to my flent files should still be active in that post as
> well.
>
> -Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 10:57 AM
> To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com>
> Cc: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat <
> bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
>
> Thank you for testing!!! If you could stash the *.flent.gz files somewhere
> I could get at, that would be great. You can also browse the plots using
> the flent-gui to see more detail over time.
>
> Cake, long available as an out of tree build for the edgerouter, has both
> dsl compensation and an ack-filter which would help A LOT, in your case. i
> wish I'd pushed harder to get dsl compensation into the edgerouter smart
> queues code...
>
>
> https://community.ui.com/questions/Cake-compiled-for-the-EdgeRouter-devices/fc1ff27c-f321-4344-8737-fcc755cae8a2
>
> Given your 500kbit upload speed the minimum latency inflation under the
> structure of this test (4 upload flows) should have been around 150ms (4 *
> 25ms + ack overhead), but without looking at the *.gz files I don't know
> what your baseline latency was to any of these sites. (it would be good if
> flent reported on the text output what the minimum actually was)
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 7:35 AM <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > This isn't specifically cake related but I figured it could be
> interesting, especially as these are from a location where I've been
> investigating setting up something with cake. These are statistics from a
> relatives location where they only have a DSL line from CenturyLink
> available to them. There's a little Debian based VM I setup for a couple
> random things so I was able to run flent from that. They have a EdgeRouter
> X serving as the router so they can at least take advantage of fq_codel
> through the routers Smart Queue feature. I ran a quick speed test, then ran
> flent without sqm, and then with sqm. Sorry if this gets a bit long and
> hopefully it stays readable.
> >
> > #############
> > Speedtest by Ookla
> >
> > Server: 123.Net, Inc. - Southfield, MI (id = 15044)
> > ISP: CenturyLink
> > Latency: 45.45 ms (194.34 ms jitter)
> > Download: 8.88 Mbps (data used: 12.6 MB )
> > Upload: 0.64 Mbps (data used: 962.7 kB )
> > Packet Loss: 5.1%
> > Result URL:
> > https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/799ba46b-d3d4-4d54-ac76-118fac847b7
> > 3
> >
> > ###########
> > No SQM or QOS
> >
> > flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H
> > london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H
> fremont.starlink.taht.net -t
> nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be Started
> Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> > Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> > Data file written to
> > ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T145553.865990.nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_
> > 500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
> >
> > Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 13:55:53.865990
> > Title: 'nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
> >
> >
> avg median # data pts
> > Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net :
> 1026.06 920.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net :
> 1009.28 887.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
> 1121.09 1012.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
> 943.77 853.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) avg :
> 1025.05 N/A ms 1383
> > TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net :
> 1.36 2.00 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.72 0.65 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
> 1.03 1.74 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
> 2.11 2.88 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download avg :
> 1.30 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download fairness :
> 0.86 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download sum :
> 5.22 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.12 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 16.85 14.00 1044
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.12 0.12 1036
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.35 0.26 1042
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 1128.57 954.47 1020
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 68.22 50.08 1020
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.12 0.15 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 17.33 11.00 1046
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.12 0.11 1041
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.38 0.26 1044
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 1166.74 991.48 1043
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 79.99 68.27 1043
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.07 0.13 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 13.60 9.00 1042
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.07 0.08 1013
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.23 0.20 1031
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 1302.23 1129.07 967
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 113.67 98.84 967
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.11 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 17.55 11.00 1038
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.11 0.10 1035
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.32 0.23 1036
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 1094.64 887.54 1033
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 67.20 59.16 1033
> > TCP upload avg :
> 0.10 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload fairness :
> 0.96 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload sum :
> 0.42 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> >
> > ##########
> > with smart queue (fq_codel) on the EdgeRouter
> >
> > flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H
> > london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H
> fremont.starlink.taht.net -t
> fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be
> Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> > Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> > Data file written to
> > ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T150339.549817.fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdow
> > n_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
> >
> > Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 14:03:39.549817
> > Title: 'fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
> >
> >
> avg median # data pts
> > Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net :
> 392.93 208.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net :
> 373.94 196.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
> 508.15 319.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
> 346.23 152.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) avg :
> 405.31 N/A ms 1384
> > TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net :
> 1.36 1.62 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net :
> 1.47 1.63 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
> 1.55 1.60 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
> 1.50 1.80 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download avg :
> 1.47 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download fairness :
> 1.00 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download sum :
> 5.88 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.09 0.85 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 4.50 4.00 1035
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.08 0.08 1030
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.17 0.15 1032
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 458.11 318.82 1027
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 95.76 61.88 1027
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.09 0.93 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 4.17 4.00 1038
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.08 0.08 1033
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.17 0.14 1036
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 452.67 322.49 1033
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 96.87 64.28 1033
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.06 0.44 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 4.16 4.00 1040
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.06 0.06 1031
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.12 0.11 1036
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 577.75 438.61 1027
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 107.05 72.97 1027
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net :
> 0.10 1.48 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd :
> 4.45 4.00 1020
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate :
> 0.09 0.09 1017
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate :
> 0.21 0.16 1019
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt :
> 439.05 285.86 1018
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var :
> 81.90 56.33 1018
> > TCP upload avg :
> 0.08 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload fairness :
> 0.97 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload sum :
> 0.34 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> >
> >
> > EdgeRouter Settings
> >
> > smart-queue DSL {
> > download {
> > ecn enable
> > flows 1024
> > fq-quantum 300
> > limit 10240
> > rate 8mbit
> > }
> > upload {
> > ecn enable
> > flows 1024
> > fq-quantum 300
> > limit 10240
> > rate 600kbit
> > target 15ms
> > }
> > wan-interface pppoe0
> >
> > Also, here's the VMs qdisc settings. Which I now realize probably
> > aren't the best
> >
> > sysctl -a | grep qdisc
> > net.core.default_qdisc = pfifo_fast
> >
> > tc -s qdisc
> > qdisc noqueue 0: dev lo root refcnt 2
> > Sent 0 bytes 0 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) backlog 0b
> > 0p requeues 0 qdisc mq 0: dev eth0 root Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt
> > (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 qdisc
> > pfifo_fast 0: dev eth0 parent :1 bands 3 priomap 1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1
> > 1 1 1 1 1 Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0
> > requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
> >
> >
> >
> > -Jordan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of
> > Dave Taht
> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:40 PM
> > To: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat
> > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > Subject: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
> >
> > if anyone has a bit of spare time this holiday, I'd like to collect a
> few results from various networks around the web this week, not just on the
> turris. Example command line and outputs here:
> >
> > https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/
> >
> > --
> > I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
> >
> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> > _______________________________________________
> > Starlink mailing list
> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> >
>
>
> --
> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>
> _______________________________________________
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* Re: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
2022-04-17 15:36 ` jordan
2022-04-17 16:54 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " Daniel Sterling
@ 2022-04-18 0:22 ` Dave Taht
2022-04-19 0:06 ` [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy Bruce Perens
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From: Dave Taht @ 2022-04-18 0:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jordan Szuch; +Cc: flent-users, bloat, starlink
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:36 AM <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote:
>
> You're welcome! Here's the files Flent generated: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap4u4Rte63FqjqoSQXX444OWLvl8FQ?e=f22Nt7
Thank you for the data!
Part of with me unleashing this test on y'all is to validate my cloud,
which was looking weird yesterday. I still haven't quite got to the
problem fremont or london actually had, but it's much better now.
> And thanks for the link! It honestly doesn't look too bad to implement so I might give it a shot today if time allows.
Honestly, I hope y'all are out there spending time with your families
today. The Net can wait.
>
> I've also been contemplating replacing it with something like a Mikrotik since cake is now integrated into them. I've been testing one at home and made a post with a bunch of flent tests to the cake thread in their forum if you're interested in some data from a Charter Spectrum cable connection: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p925485
That is a really wonderful addition to that thread, thank you. For
those here that haven't gone through it, the pictures help a lot, but
requires you register for a free account. Perhaps at some point we can
eliminate the confusion and noise from it, but I often find it useful
to deeply understand what mistakes others will make. ( I have no idea
why anyone is using the bucket thing on that bug thread... no buckets
needed. I don't get it)
Seeing that horrible 1sec of induced latency on spectrum and knowing
that they have 28m subscribers whose networks still behave like that,
pains me. I would so hope that their gbit service, at least, was only
in the 120ms range.
Pro tip: tc -s qdisc show
shows you the drop/market/reschedules
on the client, you might see a few reschedules under the structure of
this test but no drops as "TCP small queues" keeps that together. On
router, the drop ratios are geometrically relative to the bandwidth.
If I have any one gripe left about the mikrotik release it is that
they make backlog, packet and ,drop statistics easily available across
their OSes. I'm pretty sure that at higher bandwidths their default
settings for SFQ and pfifo are too low...
>
> The OneDrive link to my flent files should still be active in that post as well.
>
> -Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 10:57 AM
> To: Jordan Szuch <jordan@inacomptc.com>
> Cc: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
>
> Thank you for testing!!! If you could stash the *.flent.gz files somewhere I could get at, that would be great. You can also browse the plots using the flent-gui to see more detail over time.
>
> Cake, long available as an out of tree build for the edgerouter, has both dsl compensation and an ack-filter which would help A LOT, in your case. i wish I'd pushed harder to get dsl compensation into the edgerouter smart queues code...
>
> https://community.ui.com/questions/Cake-compiled-for-the-EdgeRouter-devices/fc1ff27c-f321-4344-8737-fcc755cae8a2
>
> Given your 500kbit upload speed the minimum latency inflation under the structure of this test (4 upload flows) should have been around 150ms (4 * 25ms + ack overhead), but without looking at the *.gz files I don't know what your baseline latency was to any of these sites. (it would be good if flent reported on the text output what the minimum actually was)
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 7:35 AM <jordan@inacomptc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > This isn't specifically cake related but I figured it could be interesting, especially as these are from a location where I've been investigating setting up something with cake. These are statistics from a relatives location where they only have a DSL line from CenturyLink available to them. There's a little Debian based VM I setup for a couple random things so I was able to run flent from that. They have a EdgeRouter X serving as the router so they can at least take advantage of fq_codel through the routers Smart Queue feature. I ran a quick speed test, then ran flent without sqm, and then with sqm. Sorry if this gets a bit long and hopefully it stays readable.
> >
> > #############
> > Speedtest by Ookla
> >
> > Server: 123.Net, Inc. - Southfield, MI (id = 15044)
> > ISP: CenturyLink
> > Latency: 45.45 ms (194.34 ms jitter)
> > Download: 8.88 Mbps (data used: 12.6 MB )
> > Upload: 0.64 Mbps (data used: 962.7 kB )
> > Packet Loss: 5.1%
> > Result URL:
> > https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/799ba46b-d3d4-4d54-ac76-118fac847b7
> > 3
> >
> > ###########
> > No SQM or QOS
> >
> > flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H
> > london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> > Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> > Data file written to
> > ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T145553.865990.nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_
> > 500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
> >
> > Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 13:55:53.865990
> > Title: 'nosqm_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
> >
> > avg median # data pts
> > Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1026.06 920.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1009.28 887.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1121.09 1012.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 943.77 853.00 ms 1383
> > Ping (ms) avg : 1025.05 N/A ms 1383
> > TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 2.00 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.72 0.65 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.03 1.74 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 2.11 2.88 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download avg : 1.30 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download fairness : 0.86 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP download sum : 5.22 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 16.85 14.00 1044
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.12 1036
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.35 0.26 1042
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1128.57 954.47 1020
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 68.22 50.08 1020
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.12 0.15 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.33 11.00 1046
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.12 0.11 1041
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.38 0.26 1044
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1166.74 991.48 1043
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 79.99 68.27 1043
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.07 0.13 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 13.60 9.00 1042
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.07 0.08 1013
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.23 0.20 1031
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1302.23 1129.07 967
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 113.67 98.84 967
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.11 0.20 Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 17.55 11.00 1038
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.11 0.10 1035
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.32 0.23 1036
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 1094.64 887.54 1033
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 67.20 59.16 1033
> > TCP upload avg : 0.10 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload fairness : 0.96 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> > TCP upload sum : 0.42 N/A Mbits/s 1383
> >
> > ##########
> > with smart queue (fq_codel) on the EdgeRouter
> >
> > flent -x --socket-stats --step-size=.05 -H de.starlink.taht.net -H
> > london.starlink.taht.net -H singapore.starlink.taht.net -H fremont.starlink.taht.net -t fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl rtt_fair4be Started Flent 2.0.0 using Python 3.9.2.
> > Starting rtt_fair4be test. Expected run time: 70 seconds.
> > Data file written to
> > ./rtt_fair4be-2022-04-17T150339.549817.fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdow
> > n_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl.flent.gz
> >
> > Summary of rtt_fair4be test run from 2022-04-17 14:03:39.549817
> > Title: 'fqcodel_erx_rttfair4be_8Mbpsdown_500Kbpsup_centurylinkdsl'
> >
> > avg median # data pts
> > Ping (ms) ICMP1 de.starlink.taht.net : 392.93 208.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) ICMP2 london.starlink.taht.net : 373.94 196.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) ICMP3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 508.15 319.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) ICMP4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 346.23 152.00 ms 1384
> > Ping (ms) avg : 405.31 N/A ms 1384
> > TCP download BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 1.36 1.62 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 1.47 1.63 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 1.55 1.60 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 1.50 1.80 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download avg : 1.47 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download fairness : 1.00 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP download sum : 5.88 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.85 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.50 4.00 1035
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1030
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.15 1032
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 458.11 318.82 1027
> > TCP upload BE1 de.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 95.76 61.88 1027
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net : 0.09 0.93 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.17 4.00 1038
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.08 0.08 1033
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.17 0.14 1036
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 452.67 322.49 1033
> > TCP upload BE2 london.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 96.87 64.28 1033
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net : 0.06 0.44 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.16 4.00 1040
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.06 0.06 1031
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.12 0.11 1036
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 577.75 438.61 1027
> > TCP upload BE3 singapore.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 107.05 72.97 1027
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net : 0.10 1.48 Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_cwnd : 4.45 4.00 1020
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_delivery_rate : 0.09 0.09 1017
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_pacing_rate : 0.21 0.16 1019
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt : 439.05 285.86 1018
> > TCP upload BE4 fremont.starlink.taht.net::tcp_rtt_var : 81.90 56.33 1018
> > TCP upload avg : 0.08 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload fairness : 0.97 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> > TCP upload sum : 0.34 N/A Mbits/s 1384
> >
> >
> > EdgeRouter Settings
> >
> > smart-queue DSL {
> > download {
> > ecn enable
> > flows 1024
> > fq-quantum 300
> > limit 10240
> > rate 8mbit
> > }
> > upload {
> > ecn enable
> > flows 1024
> > fq-quantum 300
> > limit 10240
> > rate 600kbit
> > target 15ms
> > }
> > wan-interface pppoe0
> >
> > Also, here's the VMs qdisc settings. Which I now realize probably
> > aren't the best
> >
> > sysctl -a | grep qdisc
> > net.core.default_qdisc = pfifo_fast
> >
> > tc -s qdisc
> > qdisc noqueue 0: dev lo root refcnt 2
> > Sent 0 bytes 0 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) backlog 0b
> > 0p requeues 0 qdisc mq 0: dev eth0 root Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt
> > (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 qdisc
> > pfifo_fast 0: dev eth0 parent :1 bands 3 priomap 1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1
> > 1 1 1 1 1 Sent 628201 bytes 8643 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0
> > requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0
> >
> >
> >
> > -Jordan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of
> > Dave Taht
> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:40 PM
> > To: flent-users <flent-users@flent.org>; bloat
> > <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > Subject: [Starlink] an rtt_fair test?
> >
> > if anyone has a bit of spare time this holiday, I'd like to collect a few results from various networks around the web this week, not just on the turris. Example command line and outputs here:
> >
> > https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/
> >
> > --
> > I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
> >
> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> > _______________________________________________
> > Starlink mailing list
> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> >
>
>
> --
> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
>
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>
--
I tried to build a better future, a few times:
https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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* [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy
2022-04-18 0:22 ` [Starlink] " Dave Taht
@ 2022-04-19 0:06 ` Bruce Perens
2022-04-19 0:09 ` David Lang
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Perens @ 2022-04-19 0:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: starlink
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I have rectangular dishy here in Berkeley where I can't test it, because
we're not a supported area yet. Dishy is going to Macdoel, California, off
of the grid, to run an SDR transceiver on 10 acres where I can have any
antenna I want. There are currently "1200 watts" of solar (derate that to
25% for practical use) and a bunch of lead-acid batteries in a 48V system,
inside of a hi-cube freight container.
Currently my plan is to plug the router into an inverter. The one on hand
is pure sine, but I don't expect Dishy to care. Switching power supplies
generally have a wide voltage range and are independent of wave shape or
frequency or even whether the input is AC or DC.
I'd be interested if anyone else has had to produce off-grid power for
Dishy, and how they have done it.
Thanks
Bruce
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* Re: [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy
2022-04-19 0:06 ` [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy Bruce Perens
@ 2022-04-19 0:09 ` David Lang
2022-04-19 0:13 ` Jonathan Bennett
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: David Lang @ 2022-04-19 0:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Perens; +Cc: starlink
gien that the new dishy has the power supply built in to the router, an inverter
is really the only option.
I just picked up a cheap 300w inverter to use to power my dishy, but haven't had
a chance to try it out.
David Lang
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022, Bruce Perens wrote:
> I have rectangular dishy here in Berkeley where I can't test it, because
> we're not a supported area yet. Dishy is going to Macdoel, California, off
> of the grid, to run an SDR transceiver on 10 acres where I can have any
> antenna I want. There are currently "1200 watts" of solar (derate that to
> 25% for practical use) and a bunch of lead-acid batteries in a 48V system,
> inside of a hi-cube freight container.
>
> Currently my plan is to plug the router into an inverter. The one on hand
> is pure sine, but I don't expect Dishy to care. Switching power supplies
> generally have a wide voltage range and are independent of wave shape or
> frequency or even whether the input is AC or DC.
>
> I'd be interested if anyone else has had to produce off-grid power for
> Dishy, and how they have done it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
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* Re: [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy
2022-04-19 0:09 ` David Lang
@ 2022-04-19 0:13 ` Jonathan Bennett
2022-04-19 0:33 ` Bruce Perens
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Bennett @ 2022-04-19 0:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Lang; +Cc: Bruce Perens, starlink
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There's a post on Reddit describing a custom solution:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/sb4dei/homebrew_poeethernet_adapter_for_rectangle/
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 7:09 PM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
> gien that the new dishy has the power supply built in to the router, an
> inverter
> is really the only option.
>
> I just picked up a cheap 300w inverter to use to power my dishy, but
> haven't had
> a chance to try it out.
>
> David Lang
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022, Bruce Perens wrote:
>
> > I have rectangular dishy here in Berkeley where I can't test it, because
> > we're not a supported area yet. Dishy is going to Macdoel, California,
> off
> > of the grid, to run an SDR transceiver on 10 acres where I can have any
> > antenna I want. There are currently "1200 watts" of solar (derate that to
> > 25% for practical use) and a bunch of lead-acid batteries in a 48V
> system,
> > inside of a hi-cube freight container.
> >
> > Currently my plan is to plug the router into an inverter. The one on hand
> > is pure sine, but I don't expect Dishy to care. Switching power supplies
> > generally have a wide voltage range and are independent of wave shape or
> > frequency or even whether the input is AC or DC.
> >
> > I'd be interested if anyone else has had to produce off-grid power for
> > Dishy, and how they have done it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>
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* Re: [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy
2022-04-19 0:13 ` Jonathan Bennett
@ 2022-04-19 0:33 ` Bruce Perens
2022-04-19 0:42 ` Bruce Perens
2022-04-19 0:45 ` Jonathan Bennett
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Perens @ 2022-04-19 0:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Bennett; +Cc: David Lang, starlink
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The hacks seem to have been for circular Dishy. This link provides a path
that might work to bring out the power leads for rectangular Dishy, but
unfortunately they did not just make it possible to plug POE in.
https://olegkutkov.me/2022/03/07/reverse-engineering-of-the-starlink-ethernet-adapter/
Thanks
Bruce
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:13 PM Jonathan Bennett <
jonathanbennett@hackaday.com> wrote:
> There's a post on Reddit describing a custom solution:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/sb4dei/homebrew_poeethernet_adapter_for_rectangle/
>
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* Re: [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy
2022-04-19 0:33 ` Bruce Perens
@ 2022-04-19 0:42 ` Bruce Perens
2022-04-19 0:45 ` Jonathan Bennett
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Perens @ 2022-04-19 0:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Bennett; +Cc: David Lang, starlink
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There is also the potential to crack open the router and simply provide
50V:
https://olegkutkov.me/2022/04/10/initial-analysis-of-the-starlink-router-gen2/
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:33 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> wrote:
> The hacks seem to have been for circular Dishy. This link provides a path
> that might work to bring out the power leads for rectangular Dishy, but
> unfortunately they did not just make it possible to plug POE in.
> https://olegkutkov.me/2022/03/07/reverse-engineering-of-the-starlink-ethernet-adapter/
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:13 PM Jonathan Bennett <
> jonathanbennett@hackaday.com> wrote:
>
>> There's a post on Reddit describing a custom solution:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/sb4dei/homebrew_poeethernet_adapter_for_rectangle/
>>
>
>
--
Bruce Perens K6BP
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* Re: [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy
2022-04-19 0:33 ` Bruce Perens
2022-04-19 0:42 ` Bruce Perens
@ 2022-04-19 0:45 ` Jonathan Bennett
2022-04-19 3:42 ` Mike Puchol
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Bennett @ 2022-04-19 0:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Perens; +Cc: David Lang, starlink
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The proprietary cable is just cat6 twisted pair inside, running standard
Ethernet. What I'm not certain of is whether the PoE is the same between
units. My Dishy is round, so I can't test to confirm. I suspect it's
essentially the same proprietary PoE setup, but don't have a source to
confirm. Keep us posted on what you choose and how well it works
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 7:33 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> wrote:
> The hacks seem to have been for circular Dishy. This link provides a path
> that might work to bring out the power leads for rectangular Dishy, but
> unfortunately they did not just make it possible to plug POE in.
> https://olegkutkov.me/2022/03/07/reverse-engineering-of-the-starlink-ethernet-adapter/
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:13 PM Jonathan Bennett <
> jonathanbennett@hackaday.com> wrote:
>
>> There's a post on Reddit describing a custom solution:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/sb4dei/homebrew_poeethernet_adapter_for_rectangle/
>>
>
>
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* Re: [Starlink] Electric power for Dishy
2022-04-19 0:45 ` Jonathan Bennett
@ 2022-04-19 3:42 ` Mike Puchol
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Mike Puchol @ 2022-04-19 3:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Perens, Jonathan Bennett; +Cc: starlink
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Here is what I (tentatively) call the LeoBox, which I use for testing a Starlink terminal. It features a boost converter that takes 24V to 56V, then delivers it via a Tycon injector. The punch line on power is that during boot, it can draw up to 210W for 2-5 seconds. If your source or boost converter cannot take the amperage, and it climbs really quick from 12-14W, you get into a reboot cycle. After that, with no traffic it will sit at 30-50W, with heavy loads it will climb to 80W. I have condensed a 1 hour drive test into 15 minutes here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UExU-_VHWjA
This is a Gen2 terminal, ie round with fewer RF controllers/drivers.
Best,
Mike
On Apr 19, 2022, 04:45 +0400, Jonathan Bennett <jonathanbennett@hackaday.com>, wrote:
> The proprietary cable is just cat6 twisted pair inside, running standard Ethernet. What I'm not certain of is whether the PoE is the same between units. My Dishy is round, so I can't test to confirm. I suspect it's essentially the same proprietary PoE setup, but don't have a source to confirm. Keep us posted on what you choose and how well it works
>
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 7:33 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> wrote:
> > > The hacks seem to have been for circular Dishy. This link provides a path that might work to bring out the power leads for rectangular Dishy, but unfortunately they did not just make it possible to plug POE in. https://olegkutkov.me/2022/03/07/reverse-engineering-of-the-starlink-ethernet-adapter/
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:13 PM Jonathan Bennett <jonathanbennett@hackaday.com> wrote:
> > > > > There's a post on Reddit describing a custom solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/sb4dei/homebrew_poeethernet_adapter_for_rectangle/
> > >
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
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