From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 135A83B2A4 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 14:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F2339D58; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 14:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 1IpLfnEgpIbQ; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 14:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5908439D57; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 14:30:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1695580211; bh=jz1pgkk+L27Kdr8sQwQCamxrcUIrF2YXcsW+MzbPfwg=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=fOPq+gLABQZfvHjSy83//Wx6RuLeI1FwL011o+zJqpYY+YpUaHZ3ZUr4N8Nza3drr rxxS9i2Dbmxb1qOgT26BJ2bGGXgtS4J/kU6Olez2Ng3LHdl/4xaxnTc7SgMHj9K6li b9rC7GM/uk0nmzpvLcBmWYklG3DodE58+we/QmePZ24OqTO4lbhUkWa40PSmt9MUIt Y1Ey9qok0uLsSN4lZlWAqoCetfMB7RNGWW3NmhmeDJoUkEHf1H5z9pTbpupfGvaxHa TcY9NiraqixsT/9eGBHsYUs+Q/ii9vdH7KBlWF/+tCzX7tnFAaklXQQW/5+9NOzAKR NVAV2mgCjCcVA== Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BF91B6; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 14:30:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Noel Butler , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: References: <9d96e8d6-8a40-4353-b7a3-49881742f1a7@auckland.ac.nz> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 27.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Starlink] APNIC56 last week X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:30:17 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Noel Butler via Starlink wrote: > Despite my high level of respect for Geoff, he, and others like him, = often > talk things up to push things their way of thinking, we only need loo= k at the > FUD they came out with in mid 90's about IPv4's imminent demise giving I think you malign Geoff to no purpose. Geoff Houston is brilliant in putting up well thought out strawmans (strawmen? Strawpeople?), often with the goal of cristalizing what exactly = we don't like about them. > It's also like the local water board here who last week came out sayi= ng a > whopping 70% of people surveyed said they'd drink recycled water, of = course > it was the local water board that conducted this alleged survey, beca= use >90% > of the more independent polling shows a totally different story. I've never seen such independent polling. I've seen water bottle company p= olls :-) If you think IPv4 is fine, then Geoff's architecture, with 0.0.0.0/1 being = for eyeballs NAT44, 128.0.0.0/3 for institutions and SDN and class C being swamp/infrastructure should work just fine. The question is how to get there. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFKBAEBCgA0FiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmUQgDMWHG1jcitpZXRm QHNhbmRlbG1hbi5jYQAKCRCAi3D73dDdZWIzB/9j919+UpAU2VaVkpXGZOxNvCEu aOPqeqbhGYX4t8btk6FG2Uaz9xxbpDWU53aGfbhMikOm0SYnK88XkvEG+apnF2be fO8D9kjey4mt5Y165Bm8nmE2IFWkTP8cjQOvcRTDTZSOtwKHi97NZn/8+AwM+KMf Ytata9FN5qaJTSrl7z9vobEUcC5wDy39uZIBnlQz1w1A7HmKb+RPSF5scV/bZse0 GYM6SKPXsP5nhUOv9SIeGeMvbg+aZ4hZtZ0A/eqonsMnmfowX/TRKdBaoT+9PK43 7khF3CmQl6Lb8gskvP/k0kP1Z/s62XOak/po0DAaVGHTGxQXABEfFZBx/HOb =MdzA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--