From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp108.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp108.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B2473B29E for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from app64.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp30.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 00E6918BD for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from deepplum.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app64.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15A861E44; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@deepplum.com, from: dpreed@deepplum.com) with HTTP; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:14:56 -0500 (EST) X-Auth-ID: dpreed@deepplum.com Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: "David P. Reed" To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_20221219181456000000_81925" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: html In-Reply-To: References: X-Client-IP: 209.6.168.128 Message-ID: <1671491696.919711872@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/19.0.22-RC X-Classification-ID: f4d05209-d0d7-4280-b089-4f46b1691093-1-1 Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starilnk terminal detector X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 23:14:57 -0000 ------=_20221219181456000000_81925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AThe pragmatics of 21st century warfare to me suggest that the hypothetic= al Starlink detector is basically an irrelevant piece of propaganda.=0A =0A= You need actual insight into tactics and behavior of the "adversary" to man= age operations that have significant effect.=0A =0ALook at all the money an= d effort ARPA wasted (under McNamara's DoD) trying to "win" the Vietnam war= in the field. This is what results when you let arms-designers (even hacke= r level wannabes) try to decide what will be useful in the field.=0A =0AIf = you want to understand the Ukraine war, buy a plane ticket to Poland or Ukr= aine, bring your tools, and go out with the actual combatants. (don't forge= t to get trained with weapons and basic combat skills).=0A =0A ------=_20221219181456000000_81925 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The pragmatics of 21st= century warfare to me suggest that the hypothetical Starlink detector is b= asically an irrelevant piece of propaganda.

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You need actual insight into tactics and beha= vior of the "adversary" to manage operations that have significant effect.<= /p>=0A

 

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Look at all th= e money and effort ARPA wasted (under McNamara's DoD) trying to "win" the V= ietnam war in the field. This is what results when you let arms-designers (= even hacker level wannabes) try to decide what will be useful in the field.=

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If you want t= o understand the Ukraine war, buy a plane ticket to Poland or Ukraine, brin= g your tools, and go out with the actual combatants. (don't forget to get t= rained with weapons and basic combat skills).

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