From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout09.eigbox.net (bosmailout09.eigbox.net [66.96.190.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3705B3B29D for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bosmailscan09.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.9]) by bosmailout09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1m8Wzl-0001GA-Pg for starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:00:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To:From:Reply-To: Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=N8gRx7KWfJkiFjKJLaYNEd+jnz1vxuCdOpqtktuR3A4=; b=TQeod8TF+sbM7plGf3MarU9baa G1EEQycf4Pg9z57p269mPL1Q37nTNiliRx57zn2KEgIR95ZifxImsxfHYqIQ0w0TucnGunOiOAbGG BBjtsjAb23NmJyw3XAIuAm+vw1iY64UZuf97TlEZXC0O2nvA2TQsYT0UNoaaeWcA/rg1HTpPMut8T tEiMVLN/hkMu1X0cOOalW9LkeC+559HDD7TmwOfLR4jcQHlA2BbaJ0TO4NON3K9siF6PK8thMVsVT dm0MBJL7oNLGz/g7f9hjONx6TajSRk2iEapN7PYBfrpRPVwhBD0gx8zuTqKv4BuZtwBJh8Ab9on3l /zyHy6Tw==; Received: from [10.115.3.32] (helo=bosimpout12) by bosmailscan09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1m8Wzl-0001Im-Eq for starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:00:21 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp19.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.19]) by bosimpout12 with id aQ0J250010QhFXN01Q0MAY; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:00:21 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=d4VuNSrE c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9UqFsMnAB6EOkiq4MrOclQ==:117 a=x+7tlP9+fMpTIVJEmcsKvw==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=e_q4qTt1xDgA:10 a=Wo7qeYC63mUA:10 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=-5p-JMlAAAAA:8 a=RZm8LbSkAAAA:8 a=ubr3b2d_baOHspQLyl8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=B2z_dEed8JbEwBmmRFYp:22 a=LEeQQ6U83W6FqU-epN5T:22 Received: from c-73-222-32-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.222.32.85]:51373 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp19.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1m8Wzh-000227-UT; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:00:18 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: "'Karl Auerbach'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:00:14 -0700 Organization: SRA Message-ID: <1F663310964B4D00AC1C914363EA90DB@SRA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdeDPGvDPLcBY0/yS6m8eI8xKMpE3wABsMNw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.222.32.85 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-222-32-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [Starlink] Intro and a question X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 00:00:22 -0000 Even better, this guy's BS goes back to the late 80's when Qualcomm was promising 1000 times AMPS in cellular capacity with their new CDMA technology! Fast forward, CDMA has disappeared from planet earth as a cellular technology ... and 3 major telecommunications manufacturers are out of business!! RR -----Original Message----- From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Karl Auerbach Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:09 PM To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Starlink] Intro and a question On 7/26/21 8:51 PM, Larry Press wrote: > https://spacenews.com/tech-breakthrough-morphs-gigabit-wifi-into-terabit-sat ellite-internet/ > Wow! I got massive deja vu and thought had to check whether I was reading a 1970's copy of the JC Whitney Catalog! (Or my own CaveBear Catalog - of hyperbolic bogus network stuff: "If we have it, you don't need it"), most particularly: - Our Press Release from one of the Interop shows, people actually believed this!! Gaga Net: https://www.cavebear.com/cb_catalog/techno/gaganet/ ) - The Maximum Momentum Router: https://www.cavebear.com/cb_catalog/current/maxmoment/ (For those who don't remember, the JC Whitnet catalog was filled with things for your car that would improve gas milage by a zillion percent or bump horsepower by 200hp. With that catalog one could turn an old 1200cc VW bug into a flame breathing monster, or so one would if one accepted the hyperbole.) OK, let's accept this guy's claims as true. Do they make an end-to-end difference? Perhaps if the satellite part of the end-to-end path is truly a bit synchronous "bent-pipe". But Starlink seems to be evolving far past that simple bit-clocked-circuit model into something more resembling a space internet with routers, or at least a switched network that could have issues such as choice of route, multiple inputs feeding into one output (in other words, potential congestion). BTW, I did like the article's phrase "High Definition Internet" - It immediately called to mind "Brawndo - it's got electrolytes" (from the movie Idiocracy. --karl-- _______________________________________________ Starlink mailing list Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink