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From: Mike Puchol <mike@starlink.sx>
To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread"
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:36:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a36ad77-bf95-4dd3-b49b-4594bc01dc7a@Spark> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw60RcjBwGxjwASq75fCdwb8=p0XfFLz4PHoL1w65i7nug@mail.gmail.com>

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A couple of notes on things said in the thread:
> But do Starlink actually see Mike supplying 100 people as helpful, or do they see it as 99 customers they can no longer sell a dishy to? Given how they push their services into the market, I suspect it might be the latter.

This is what we have seen - they started with an expensive service, expensive terminal. They acquired all the early adopters who go for Starlink come what may, price is no object, because they can justify it. Now, they start reducing prices to catch the next “wave” that didn’t see a fit within their needs / finances.

With Africa, even the cheaper pricing now is only affordable to 0.05% of the population (600k to 1 million users). To reach the deeper market, they will need to allow creative solutions, but that will only happen once they have tapped the available steps in the financial ladder.
> My central thesis has long been that 25/5 mbit service - debloated -
> was more than good enough for your typical family of 4, no matter the
> country, WFH, or not.

We provide a 5 Mbps service (1.5 Mbps provisioned), and Kenyans consume 220 GB per month on average over it. This is on par with “western” nations. I’m not so sure about the debloated part though :-)

Best,

Mike
On Aug 31, 2022, 02:59 +0200, Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
> I think f-root dns servers in LEO makes a lot of sense. It's not a lot
> of data, nor does it require much cpu. and dns lookups are a frequent
> source of major latency.
>
> CDN in space, well, how much mass, energy, does a set of spindles
> need? Can raid arrays of modern flash or disk survive serious SEVs?
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink

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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.3.1661875202.32670.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2022-08-30 16:53 ` David P. Reed
2022-08-30 17:32   ` Doc Searls
2022-08-30 20:09     ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-30 20:35       ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-08-30 20:40         ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-30 21:09       ` David Lang
2022-08-30 21:01   ` David Lang
2022-08-30 22:07     ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 22:21       ` David Lang
2022-08-30 22:37         ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 23:07           ` David Lang
2022-08-30 23:45             ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 23:28           ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31  0:12             ` David Lang
2022-08-31  0:31               ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  0:32               ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 10:29                 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-08-31 18:51                   ` David Lang
2022-08-31 19:04             ` Dave Taht
2022-08-30 22:50       ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-30 23:13         ` David Lang
2022-08-31  0:46         ` tom
2022-08-31  0:58           ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  7:36             ` Mike Puchol [this message]
2022-08-31  6:26         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-08-31  7:25           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31  7:31             ` Hayden Simon
2022-08-31  7:33             ` David Lang
2022-08-31  9:59               ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 10:06                 ` David Lang
2022-08-31 10:12                   ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 17:52                 ` Dick Roy
2022-08-31 13:41               ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31 14:30                 ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 21:44                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01  7:58                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-01 11:38                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01 19:54                     ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-01 21:08                       ` tom
2022-09-02  7:52                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-02 12:29                           ` tom
2022-08-31  7:49             ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-08-31  9:25               ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-31  9:34                 ` David Lang
2022-09-01  9:12                   ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-31 14:52   ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31 15:22     ` [Starlink] starlink upload behavior Dave Taht
2022-09-01 19:24       ` Luis A. Cornejo
2022-09-01 19:50         ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  8:15 [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" David Fernández
2022-08-31 14:51 David Fernández
2022-08-31 18:09 ` Michael Richardson
2022-08-31 21:46 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31 23:44   ` Lin Han
2022-09-01 19:26   ` Dave Taht
     [not found] <mailman.800.1661972667.1281.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2022-08-31 19:51 ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 20:28   ` David Lang
2022-08-31 21:17     ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 21:33       ` David Lang
2022-09-01  7:05         ` Mike Puchol
2022-09-01 11:43           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01  8:09       ` David Lang
2022-09-01 15:19 David Fernández
2022-09-01 16:33 ` Darrell Budic
2022-09-02  9:32   ` David Fernández
2022-09-01 19:56 ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-02 12:27   ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-02 18:34     ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-02 20:11       ` Sebastian Moeller

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