From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 212183CB37 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2022 03:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [83.61.18.4]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D33378C646F for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:36:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1661931372; bh=+IzF+mc67vRY0pp+oruWQAJtEt2LyLxmpPmo93oc8Mk=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=Fo4UxlLl3XbxoM/KlmonZGrX0aI9dwDlUQnUfYI4RwfmPWJbSzQppEoxHkYu/OfYl tBTAcbroovu/eqejHGbqGB0JMXJyxyv0qOg+YZHeRYy3rQq1VMb1ynXa2HZ+OFxvpY mvsFMbTLWspQ7RGpP2JZulUi+pI+bsDfGwg7OPJEpvaBK9hEGqKUd14HW81FZTOdfT CEhRWGWZ7f+fuijhpEF83xgsWn+FSlbSExeNBK/d+w3z4ppCeYfmoPg3/jzcCR8Lws 9GnihgF1fF5Ow1fR1m2bpEbn2H8w6IHoobnHo//8vOMfMcBWrPr/pOewVMWbQHieuV 081ezJOEcb2LQ== Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:36:04 +0200 From: Mike Puchol To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <1a36ad77-bf95-4dd3-b49b-4594bc01dc7a@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> <20220830220710.GA2653@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> <15982a40-2b34-7ed1-bfa3-bced03fc3839@auckland.ac.nz> <0ca801d8bcd3$13537eb0$39fa7c10$@evslin.com> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 1a36ad77-bf95-4dd3-b49b-4594bc01dc7a@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="630f0f69_17a1b582_2eb" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:36:13 -0000 --630f0f69_17a1b582_2eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline A couple of notes on things said in the thread: > But do Starlink actually see Mike supplying 100 people as helpful, or d= o they see it as 99 customers they can no longer sell a dishy to=3F Given= how they push their services into the market, I suspect it might be the = latter. This is what we have seen - they started with an expensive service, expen= sive terminal. They acquired all the early adopters who go for Starlink c= ome what may, price is no object, because they can justify it. Now, they = start reducing prices to catch the next =E2=80=9Cwave=E2=80=9D that didn=E2= =80=99t see a fit within their needs / finances. With Africa, even the cheaper pricing now is only affordable to 0.05% of = the population (600k to 1 million users). To reach the deeper market, the= y will need to allow creative solutions, but that will only happen once t= hey have tapped the available steps in the financial ladder. > My central thesis has long been that 25/5 mbit service - debloated - > was more than good enough for your typical family of 4, no matter the > country, W=46H, or not. We provide a 5 Mbps service (1.5 Mbps provisioned), and Kenyans consume 2= 20 GB per month on average over it. This is on par with =E2=80=9Cwestern=E2= =80=9D nations. I=E2=80=99m not so sure about the debloated part though := -) Best, Mike On Aug 31, 2022, 02:59 +0200, Dave Taht via Starlink , wrote: > I think f-root dns servers in LEO makes a lot of sense. It's not a lot > of data, nor does it require much cpu. and dns lookups are a frequent > source of major latency. > > CDN in space, well, how much mass, energy, does a set of spindles > need=3F Can raid arrays of modern flash or disk survive serious SEVs=3F= > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --630f0f69_17a1b582_2eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
A couple of notes on things said in the thread:
But do Starlink actually see Mike supplying 100 people as helpful, or do= they see it as 99 customers they can no longer sell a dishy to=3F Given = how they push their services into the market, I suspect it might be the l= atter.

This is what we have seen - they started with an expensive service, expen= sive terminal. They acquired all the early adopters who go for Starlink c= ome what may, price is no object, because they can justify it. Now, they = start reducing prices to catch the next =E2=80=9Cwave=E2=80=9D that didn=E2= =80=99t see a fit within their needs / finances.

With Africa, even the cheaper pricing now is only affordable to 0.05% of = the population (600k to 1 million users). To reach the deeper market, the= y will need to allow creative solutions, but that will only happen once t= hey have tapped the available steps in the financial ladder.
My central thesis has long been that 25/5 mbit service - debloated -
was more than good enough for your typical family of 4, no matter the
country, W=46H, or not.

We provide a 5 Mbps service (1.5 Mbps provisioned), and Kenyans consume 2= 20 GB per month on average over it. This is on par with =E2=80=9Cwestern=E2= =80=9D nations. I=E2=80=99m not so sure about the debloated part though := -)

Best,

Mike
On Aug 31, 2022, 02:59 +0200, Dave = Taht via Starlink <starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
I think f-root dns servers in LEO makes a lot of sense. It's no= t a lot
of data, nor does it require much cpu. and dns lookups are a frequent
source of major latency.

CDN in space, well, how much mass, energy, does a set of spindles
need=3F Can raid arrays of modern flash or disk survive serious SEVs=3F =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
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