From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (syn-045-059-245-186.biz.spectrum.com [45.59.245.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92FC23B29D for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.2.3.133] (unknown [10.2.3.133]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1471F6E41; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Marc Blanchet cc: David Lang , Hesham ElBakoury , Starlink , 5grm-satellite@ieee.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1oqn4685-8qsp-923n-9p4s-487rn4p65o77@ynat.uz> References: <6nn799r0-q896-4osn-23no-733oorno0p55@ynat.uz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Starlink] Alphabet spins off Starlink competitor Taara X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:49:18 -0000 Marc Blanchet wrote: >> On Mar 17, 2025, at 18:50, David Lang via Starlink wrote: >> >> Hesham ElBakoury wrote: >> >>> https://www.theverge.com/news/631049/alphabet-spins-off-starlink-competitor-taara?mc_cid=1a1e15a2db&mc_eid=105d343de1 >> >> Interesting, a laser in a professionally installed/aligned tower is going to be able to have a higher bandwidth than the starlink dishy. >> >> but the claim that it will be far cheaper than Starlink?? that tower and a ground station that tracks the satellites in real time is going to be FAR more expensive than a dishy. Since it's going to be in motion at all times, it's got mechanical parts to wear out, and physically re-aiming a laser between connections (on both ends) is going to be a lot slower than electronic aiming of a phased array antenna. > > Either I don't understand the article or your comment. But my interpretation of the article is that it is "just" (ground) lasers for trunk links between (ground) towers. No satellite involved. It is a replacement of either fibre or radio between (cell) towers. Since it kept talking about being a replacement for Starlink, I assumed that the towers would communicate with satellites. If there are no satellites being used, then it's not going to be a Starlink competitor as you would have to build a long chain of laser towers to try and provide service everywhere. David Lang > Marc. > >> >> As a community gateway where a lot of people share a single satellite connection, it could work, but even there I question if it would be cheaper. >> >> There's also the question of the cost of satellites. Are they willing to take the Starlink approach of cheap satellites? or are they still thinking 'industry standard' where each satellite is far bigger, heavier, and more expensive? >> >> David Lang >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >