[Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Dave Taht]

I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
got rid of the starlink provided router?

What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
between your networks, much like I've been testing
to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.

I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
rsync, but the simple test scripts there
can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.

There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
into dns. linode's is straightforward if
you'd want to leverage taht.net.

(for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)


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Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Annika Wickert]

I setup dyndns to mine:
starlink.awlnx.space it’s hosted via starlink ipv6 only (of course)

> On 19. May 2021, at 01:40, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
> got rid of the starlink provided router?
> 
> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
> between your networks, much like I've been testing
> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
> 
> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
> 
> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
> you'd want to leverage taht.net.
> 
> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Latest Podcast:
> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
> 
> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
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> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink

Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Dave Taht]

I note that the tc command has json output, perhaps that can be parsed
by some tool and drops/marks/delay/backlog for cake

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 1:49 AM Annika Wickert <aw@awlnx.space> wrote:
>
> I setup dyndns to mine:
> starlink.awlnx.space it’s hosted via starlink ipv6 only (of course)

thx. I would like to distribute some scripts this weekend for testing
starlink <-> starlink. I think it
would be best to try for a videoconference of all the participants in
the test before then. I should
be available all day saturday and sunday, PDT, 9AM-11PM... Perhaps
sunday ? Does anyone here use doodle, or
can we pick a method to co-ordinate on a time?

The test driver is "flent", however clients need no more than
netserver (from netperf) and irtt client running.

The test suite might be:

rtt_fair_var - to/from as many hosts as are participating in the test
simultaneously.

rrul - this tests a ton of things like dscp support
rrul_be
tcp_nup 1 stream
tcp_nup 16 stream
tcp_ndown 1 stream
tcp_ndown 16 stream
and possibly a few others.

Ideally this would also include tests with sqm enabled also, and I'm
not sure to what extent that
has been tried by others yet. The most elegant qdisc to use is cake


> > On 19. May 2021, at 01:40, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
> > got rid of the starlink provided router?
> >
> > What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
> > between your networks, much like I've been testing
> > to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
> > tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
> >
> > I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
> > rsync, but the simple test scripts there
> > can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
> >
> > There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
> > into dns. linode's is straightforward if
> > you'd want to leverage taht.net.
> >
> > (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Latest Podcast:
> > https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
> >
> > Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > _______________________________________________
> > Starlink mailing list
> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>


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Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Paul Vixie]

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 08:07:22AM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> I note that the tc command has json output, perhaps that can be parsed
> by some tool and drops/marks/delay/backlog for cake

because $dayjob's tools and services often output JSON, i've learned about
the "jq" tool which is a bit like awk+sed+tr all rolled into one. piping
output to "jq . | more" is how i pretty-print, for example.

https://github.com/stedolan/jq

-- 
Paul Vixie

Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[George Burdell]

I plan to be at the site, adding real ipv6, and conducting tests
this weekend. Anyone up for it?

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:40:51PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
> got rid of the starlink provided router?
> 
> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
> between your networks, much like I've been testing
> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
> 
> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
> 
> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
> you'd want to leverage taht.net.
> 
> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Latest Podcast:
> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
> 
> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink

Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[George Burdell]

I have setup a doodle poll for co-ordinating times to meet

https://doodle.com/poll/qamim95xpb8kwanx?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:40:51PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
> got rid of the starlink provided router?
> 
> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
> between your networks, much like I've been testing
> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
> 
> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
> 
> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
> you'd want to leverage taht.net.
> 
> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Latest Podcast:
> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
> 
> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink

Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Sascha Meinrath]

Hi everyone,

I'm happy to put my dishy at the disposal of the group, but have been utterly
crammed for time. That said, if folks want to walk me through what would be most
helpful (i.e., specific equipment to plug in/access control to grant/etc.),
happy to get that implemented so that folks can utilize this resource.

Also, my Starlink network is completely separated from my home network (so folks
can do pretty much whatever would be most useful with it without worry).
Physically, it's located in central PA, USA.

Let me know,

--Sascha Meinrath
Director, X-Lab
Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
Penn State University

On 5/26/21 9:20 AM, George Burdell wrote:
> I have setup a doodle poll for co-ordinating times to meet
> 
> https://doodle.com/poll/qamim95xpb8kwanx?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:40:51PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
>> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
>> got rid of the starlink provided router?
>>
>> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
>> between your networks, much like I've been testing
>> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
>> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
>>
>> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
>> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
>> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
>>
>> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
>> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
>> you'd want to leverage taht.net.
>>
>> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Latest Podcast:
>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
>>
>> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
>> _______________________________________________
>> Starlink mailing list
>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> 

Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Dave Taht]

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:11 AM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@thexlab.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm happy to put my dishy at the disposal of the group, but have been utterly
> crammed for time. That said, if folks want to walk me through what would be most
> helpful (i.e., specific equipment to plug in/access control to grant/etc.),
> happy to get that implemented so that folks can utilize this resource.

The simplest possible arrangement is a linux box directly in front of
the dishy not their supplied router. Nearly any kind will suffice, so
long as it can get an ipv6 address. I have a mild preference for the
current ubuntu, or the openwrt release candidate, but even centos
would suffice. Supplying our ssh keys for further configuration (if
needed) for other tests, like of DoH vs DNS. We prefer raw hardware
rather than a vm, to rule out interactions with vm jitter and
latencies. A raspi-4 is fine. x86_64 preferred.

Possible, but less useful, would be an osx box, configured to run
netserver and irtt, I can supply working binaries of each.

windows is right out.

> Also, my Starlink network is completely separated from my home network (so folks
> can do pretty much whatever would be most useful with it without worry).
> Physically, it's located in central PA, USA.
>
> Let me know,
>
> --Sascha Meinrath
> Director, X-Lab
> Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
> Penn State University
>
> On 5/26/21 9:20 AM, George Burdell wrote:
> > I have setup a doodle poll for co-ordinating times to meet
> >
> > https://doodle.com/poll/qamim95xpb8kwanx?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:40:51PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> >> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
> >> got rid of the starlink provided router?
> >>
> >> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
> >> between your networks, much like I've been testing
> >> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
> >> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
> >>
> >> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
> >> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
> >> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
> >>
> >> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
> >> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
> >> you'd want to leverage taht.net.
> >>
> >> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Latest Podcast:
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
> >>
> >> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Starlink mailing list
> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> > _______________________________________________
> > Starlink mailing list
> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> >



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Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Sascha Meinrath]

Hi everyone,

I'm happy to put my dishy at the disposal of the group, but have been utterly
crammed for time. That said, if folks want to walk me through what would be most
helpful (i.e., specific equipment to plug in/access control to grant/etc.),
happy to get that implemented so that folks can utilize this resource.

Also, my Starlink network is completely separated from my home network (so folks
can do pretty much whatever would be most useful with it without worry).
Physically, it's located in central PA, USA.

Let me know,

--Sascha Meinrath
Director, X-Lab
Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
Penn State University

On 5/26/21 9:20 AM, George Burdell wrote:
> I have setup a doodle poll for co-ordinating times to meet
> 
> https://doodle.com/poll/qamim95xpb8kwanx?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:40:51PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
>> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
>> got rid of the starlink provided router?
>>
>> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
>> between your networks, much like I've been testing
>> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
>> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
>>
>> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
>> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
>> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
>>
>> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
>> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
>> you'd want to leverage taht.net.
>>
>> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Latest Podcast:
>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
>>
>> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
>> _______________________________________________
>> Starlink mailing list
>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> 

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--Sascha Meinrath
Director, X-Lab
Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
Penn State University

Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Nick Buraglio]

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Unrelated: Sascha, did you used to live in Urbana? Involved in the
cu-wireless deployment, maybe?

nb

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@psu.edu> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm happy to put my dishy at the disposal of the group, but have been
> utterly
> crammed for time. That said, if folks want to walk me through what would
> be most
> helpful (i.e., specific equipment to plug in/access control to grant/etc.),
> happy to get that implemented so that folks can utilize this resource.
>
> Also, my Starlink network is completely separated from my home network (so
> folks
> can do pretty much whatever would be most useful with it without worry).
> Physically, it's located in central PA, USA.
>
> Let me know,
>
> --Sascha Meinrath
> Director, X-Lab
> Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
> Penn State University
>
> On 5/26/21 9:20 AM, George Burdell wrote:
> > I have setup a doodle poll for co-ordinating times to meet
> >
> > https://doodle.com/poll/qamim95xpb8kwanx?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:40:51PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> >> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
> >> got rid of the starlink provided router?
> >>
> >> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
> >> between your networks, much like I've been testing
> >> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
> >> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
> >>
> >> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
> >> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
> >> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
> >>
> >> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
> >> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
> >> you'd want to leverage taht.net.
> >>
> >> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Latest Podcast:
> >>
> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
> >>
> >> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Starlink mailing list
> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> > _______________________________________________
> > Starlink mailing list
> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> >
>
> --
> --Sascha Meinrath
> Director, X-Lab
> Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
> Penn State University
> _______________________________________________
> Starlink mailing list
> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>
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---
Nick Buraglio
Planning and Architecture Group
Energy Sciences Network; AS293
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
buraglio@es.net
+1 (510) 995-6068

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Re: [Starlink] starlink <-> starlink tests over ivpv6

[Sascha Meinrath]

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Hi Nick,

Indeed! I ran CU wireless out of my living room for its first few years...
sadly, what we built 15+ years ago (see attached) still eclipses the
functionality of many metro networks today.

--Sascha

On 5/26/21 7:30 PM, Nick Buraglio wrote:
> Unrelated: Sascha, did you used to live in Urbana? Involved in the cu-wireless
> deployment, maybe? 
> 
> nb
> 
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@psu.edu
> <mailto:sascha@psu.edu>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi everyone,
> 
>     I'm happy to put my dishy at the disposal of the group, but have been utterly
>     crammed for time. That said, if folks want to walk me through what would be most
>     helpful (i.e., specific equipment to plug in/access control to grant/etc.),
>     happy to get that implemented so that folks can utilize this resource.
> 
>     Also, my Starlink network is completely separated from my home network (so folks
>     can do pretty much whatever would be most useful with it without worry).
>     Physically, it's located in central PA, USA.
> 
>     Let me know,
> 
>     --Sascha Meinrath
>     Director, X-Lab
>     Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
>     Penn State University
> 
>     On 5/26/21 9:20 AM, George Burdell wrote:
>     > I have setup a doodle poll for co-ordinating times to meet
>     >
>     > https://doodle.com/poll/qamim95xpb8kwanx?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>     >
>     > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:40:51PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
>     >> I think we are at 6? people with dishys now on this list? Most having
>     >> got rid of the starlink provided router?
>     >>
>     >> What I would love to do is a string of bufferbloat related tests
>     >> between your networks, much like I've been testing
>     >> to the cloud. This would include traceroute or mtr, the rrul, tcp_nup,
>     >> tcp_ndown tests with sqm on and off.
>     >>
>     >> I know george hasn't been publishing via anything other than git via
>     >> rsync, but the simple test scripts there
>     >> can be modified to do a string of tests dishy to dishy.
>     >>
>     >> There are also many ways to take a dynamic ipv6 address and put it
>     >> into dns. linode's is straightforward if
>     >> you'd want to leverage taht.net <http://taht.net>.
>     >>
>     >> (for the record "taht" means "star or planet" in estonian)
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> Latest Podcast:
>     >> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/
>     >>
>     >> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> Starlink mailing list
>     >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>     >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Starlink mailing list
>     > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>     > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
>     >
> 
>     -- 
>     --Sascha Meinrath
>     Director, X-Lab
>     Palmer Chair in Telecommunications
>     Penn State University
>     _______________________________________________
>     Starlink mailing list
>     Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>     https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
> 
> -- 
> ---
> Nick Buraglio
> Planning and Architecture Group
> Energy Sciences Network; AS293
> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
> buraglio@es.net <mailto:buraglio@es.net>
> +1 (510) 995-6068

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