From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.bemta34.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta34.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFBF33CB37 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 18:07:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrIIsWRWlGSWpSXmKPExsXSsnPhZl3+Lr5 kg1WT1S3a+m6xWhyb1shosXbxFlYHZo/Hu5czevx4doLdY/vFM0wBzFGsmXlJ+RUJrBnr1p5g LGhhq3i94y5bA+NXli5GLg4hgZ2MEv/eHmCHcJYzStzZtYYVwjnNKDF10SU2CKeBUeLx2TtAG U4OFgFViS/f5rOB2GwCBhITf/4Ds0UE5CTmP73ECGIzC3hKfJ9yEywuLKAncbN9OdA+Dg5eAX OJHd+gZs5nlDi56i8TRFxQ4u8OYYhWLYkb/16ChZkFpCWW/+MACXMKWEv8enSEbQIj/yyEhll IGmYhNCxgZF7FaJ1UlJmeUZKbmJmja2hgoGtoaKprbKlrZGCgl1ilm6iXWqpbnlpcomukl1he rJdaXKxXXJmbnJOil5dasokRGNIpxeondjA+XflT7xCjJAeTkijvQQu+ZCG+pPyUyozE4oz4o tKc1OJDjDIcHEoSvEc6gHKCRanpqRVpmTnA+IJJS3DwKInwOrUDpXmLCxJzizPTIVKnGBWlxH mrQPoEQBIZpXlwbbCYvsQoKyXMy8jAwCDEU5BalJtZgir/ilGcg1FJmHcryBSezLwSuOmvgBY zAS1+uIQbZHFJIkJKqoGJ17fMpiAy3JS/Q/Bo6MIP0k0zd3teeK/CpxrvkCGRPttJ2TxNWU1m 06WaX8dl5/P8ZzfU7DDy+2LLdvfklW8RNxkCdNw8cx7940jacdzqzOyHFq3FLy5ICvR/eZ8fX jl3YnXlkwStI9b6Ysvn9Kr06ux/f/NKyUc9/l23/beHb7Q9OXdBk9OUjJMXz5hkvb65tdiWN6 CwVLrp46+0wEfmU9e9c59gOkt7zw3ta3wGV8ycD61PEmiUP/FxBS+vuuKBjtqAhzy7VYyvFNo v+eP2k6v4Xvqnj6z7bi716zq3aamh1VupUqkADQn/akPzlLJbHaJR1fc/F4ZUPHJSnjM7m9c+ 6S7PklNWu34tOKTEUpyRaKjFXFScCADDzAyNZAMAAA== X-Env-Sender: brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-541.messagelabs.com!1661897231!71125!1 X-Originating-IP: [132.185.161.179] X-SYMC-ESS-Client-Auth: outbound-route-from=pass X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 9.87.3; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 22610 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2022 22:07:11 -0000 Received: from mailout0.telhc.bbc.co.uk (HELO mailout0.telhc.bbc.co.uk) (132.185.161.179) by server-15.tower-541.messagelabs.com with ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted SMTP; 30 Aug 2022 22:07:11 -0000 Received: from gateb.lh.bbc.co.uk (gateb.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.11]) by mailout0.telhc.bbc.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 27UM7BJb007570; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:07:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub1.rd.bbc.co.uk ([172.29.120.129]) by gateb.lh.bbc.co.uk (8.15.1+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id 27UM7Bb9001417; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:07:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.128.110]:35079) by mailhub1.rd.bbc.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oT9O3-0005Jd-5e; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:07:11 +0100 Received: (from brandon@localhost) by sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id XAA02710; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:07:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:07:10 +0100 From: Brandon Butterworth To: David Lang Cc: "David P. Reed" , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20220830220710.GA2653@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> References: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:07:14 -0000 On Tue Aug 30, 2022 at 02:01:49PM -0700, David Lang via Starlink wrote: > You are absolutly correct that people who can get fiber (and probably even > most DSL) are far better using that than Starlink, and > last-few-hundred-meters wireless can be better (like DSL, it depends on the > exact service available) ... > People who can get that sort of service are not the target users for > Starlink. But unless Starlink turn them away some will still take the service despite better options. I do UK FWA and FTTP in rural areas and know others in the industry. Some have reported being turned down as the odd customer is waiting for Starlink (instead of taking a government GBP4k+ subsidy giving them free fibre/FWA install) There's no telling some people. brandon