From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.bemta34.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta34.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F8103CB37 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 18:37:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrPIsWRWlGSWpSXmKPExsXSsnPBFl3JiXz JBhP2s1m09d1itTg2rZHRYu3iLawOzB6Pdy9n9Pjx7AS7x/aLZ5gCmKNYM/OS8isSWDOeHFnP XNDHXNF78RtrA+M+pi5GLg4hgZ2MEouetLFBOMsZJU72P2eBcE4zSuye/IC1i5ETyGlglDj/2 LqLkYODRUBVYsc7HZAwm4CBxMSf/9hAbBEBOYn5Ty8xgtjMArUSrXPvg9nCAnoSN9uXs4DYvA LmEkt23WOGmP+NUeLD1DOMIDN5BQQl/u4QhujVkrjx7yUTSJhZQFpi+T8OkDAnUOvhG4dZJjD yz0JomIWkYRZCwwJG5lWMVklFmekZJbmJmTm6hgYGuoaGprrGlroWRnqJVbqJeqmluuWpxSW6 QG55sV5qcbFecWVuck6KXl5qySZGYDinFKsH7WD8tuKn3iFGSQ4mJVHegxZ8yUJ8SfkplRmJx RnxRaU5qcWHGGU4OJQkeJO6gXKCRanpqRVpmTnA2IJJS3DwKInwOrUDpXmLCxJzizPTIVKnGB WlxHkrJwAlBEASGaV5cG2weL7EKCslzMvIwMAgxFOQWpSbWYIq/4pRnINRSZh3WS/QFJ7MvBK 46a+AFjMBLX64hBtkcUkiQkqqgeloTfqevs5NWmUXGW44/FxfLz/XKHnXvs7vaxhKfCuPtb0x rzALD8/ft/74NZFqvXfndB+eb8zwkop96SUlf7Rmweo7M9zNT36vitSJcF3/7FuExJXSr55CT 58IZB3efcMla8muymAPF8fNTAd+TGhiMOW16Pv48qP0HUPJsDlnrRdx/QvZryO512p/vcpn9/ 7YScX7c+8t2Sx8iq9NecGKd3+/xHcUzOT6XBJ49IvrCfeaCNNGpdvaHuuLfR9bXLvEeOmC99T DIdc1LgSb6Lrv4byk8vY+i9ifE7t3brENnCb21GVXe+nGFy97jjAv3Lltb5yYw9sHe1s98pLi fTPfTjxfVP+x/uEjickyReFKLMUZiYZazEXFiQBjV2xJYgMAAA== X-Env-Sender: brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-541.messagelabs.com!1661899032!71600!1 X-Originating-IP: [132.185.160.180] X-SYMC-ESS-Client-Auth: outbound-route-from=pass X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 9.87.3; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28227 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2022 22:37:13 -0000 Received: from mailout1.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk (HELO mailout1.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk) (132.185.160.180) by server-5.tower-541.messagelabs.com with ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted SMTP; 30 Aug 2022 22:37:13 -0000 Received: from gateb.lh.bbc.co.uk (gateb.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.11]) by mailout1.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 27UMbCf0005421; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:37:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub1.rd.bbc.co.uk ([172.29.120.129]) by gateb.lh.bbc.co.uk (8.15.1+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id 27UMbCxM010878; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:37:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.128.110]:35183) by mailhub1.rd.bbc.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oT9r6-0005Lf-IK; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:37:12 +0100 Received: (from brandon@localhost) by sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id XAA03016; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:37:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:37:12 +0100 From: Brandon Butterworth To: David Lang Cc: Brandon Butterworth , "David P. Reed" , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20220830223712.GA2921@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> References: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> <20220830220710.GA2653@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> <356psp-6n4s-5677-2qs9-1r71r492no@ynat.uz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <356psp-6n4s-5677-2qs9-1r71r492no@ynat.uz> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:37:15 -0000 On Tue Aug 30, 2022 at 03:21:50PM -0700, David Lang wrote: > Why should you argue with people who make that decision? There is no arguing, low take up does however make it harder to cover the rest of the community if there are many hold outs. > best DSL at my location is 8/1 @$150/month for > a dual-dedicated line) I (not BBC) sell 1G symmetical AE FTTP for GBP35 in rural Scotland. brandon