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From: Brandon Butterworth <brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>,
	Larry Press via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army?
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:55:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221016195537.GA1040@sunf68.rd.bbc.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw4Tr_FA8yNerAX3NkUwrt4+x_xeLnybS7oPdnm3LapuYA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun Oct 16, 2022 at 09:31:07AM -0700, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote:
> and to a huge extent my outlook on life and the American way, is
> actually reflected by the fq_codel and cake algorithms -
> 
> " fq codel (now IETF standard RFC8290) is a uniquely ?American?
> algorithm. It's *fair*. It gives the ?little guy? - the little packet,
> the first packets in a new connection to anywhere, a little boost
> until the flow achieves parity with other flows from other sources,
> with minimal buffering. This means that all network traffic gets
> treated equally - faster. Isn?t that what you want in a network
> neutral framework? DNS, gaming traffic, voip, videoconferencing, and
> the first packets of any new flow, to anywhere, get a small boost.
> That?s it. Big flows - from anybody - from netflix to google to
> comcast - all achieve parity, with minimal delay and buffering, at a
> wide variety of real round trip times." -

Which always reminds me of the canadian approach -
https://youtu.be/0eNKVf3Qw6M?t=282

brandon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-16 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-14 12:06 Juliusz Chroboczek
2022-10-14 12:45 ` David Lang
2022-10-14 13:05   ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2022-10-14 13:11     ` David Lang
2022-10-14 14:17       ` Mike Puchol
2022-10-14 18:26         ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2022-10-14 20:44           ` Mike Puchol
2022-10-16 17:31             ` Steve Stroh
2022-10-16 17:56               ` Dave Taht
2022-10-16 18:28               ` Vint Cerf
2022-10-14 12:51 ` Mike Puchol
2022-10-14 13:13   ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2022-10-14 14:15     ` Mike Puchol
2022-10-14 16:05       ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2022-10-14 17:13         ` Kurtis Heimerl
2022-10-14 17:28           ` David Lang
2022-10-14 18:16             ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2022-10-14 18:32             ` Larry Press
2022-10-14 19:32               ` Benjamin Henrion
2022-10-14 19:35               ` David Lang
2022-10-14 20:07                 ` David Lang
2022-10-14 22:29                   ` Dave Taht
2022-10-15 16:51                   ` Larry Press
2022-10-16  6:42                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-16  8:45                       ` Bruce Perens
2022-10-16 16:31                         ` Dave Taht
2022-10-16 17:00                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-16 19:55                           ` Brandon Butterworth [this message]
2022-10-16 20:25                           ` Bruce Perens
2022-11-02  3:50                             ` [Starlink] 25 years of open source - where we went wrong, and how to fix it Dave Taht
2022-10-14 19:13             ` [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? tom
2022-10-14 19:41               ` David Lang
2022-10-14 20:09                 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-16 17:50                 ` Steve Stroh
2022-10-16 17:57                   ` Nathan Owens
2022-10-16 18:01                     ` Dave Taht
2022-10-16 18:29                       ` Vint Cerf
2022-10-16 18:33                         ` David Lang
2022-10-16 18:44                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-16 19:03                             ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-10-16 19:37                               ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-10-16 19:51                             ` David Lang
2022-10-16 20:37                               ` Michael Richardson
2022-10-16 20:52                                 ` Bruce Perens
2022-10-16 22:17                                 ` Brandon Butterworth

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