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From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <starlink@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] some post Starship launch thoughts
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202304262041.33QKfOVh096953@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw7rtpycSTUh8dECjJr2D_d9Jcdz9A=ZOJwLgfrNHLdAAg@mail.gmail.com>

> As always I enjoy the flood of information we get on this list!
> 
> still, so far, my research on a nitrogen deluge system (instead of
> water) has come up empty for me, except as a fire suppressant. So it?s
> either crazy or brilliant. Or both! I really liked the idea of
> something cooler that was a natural byproduct of the LOX process...

I dont think cooler does much, isnt it the "energy of vaporization"
that is actually doing all the "work" in this type of system?

H2O is 40.7 kJ/mol and LN2 is 5.6 kJ/mol so you would
need ~7 times as much LN2 to do the same work.

And the reason N2 is used as a fire suppressant is again not
because of temperature, but because it displaces the O2 and
suffocates the fire.  N2 is also easier on our ozone layer
than the prior used Halon.  Finally, this is usually
compressed N2 gas, not LN2.

--
Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-26 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-24 14:12 Dave Taht
2023-04-24 15:16 ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-24 15:27   ` Dave Taht
2023-04-24 15:37     ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-24 15:49       ` Nathan Owens
2023-04-24 19:03   ` David Lang
2023-04-24 19:16 ` David Lang
2023-04-25  0:46   ` Eugene Chang
2023-04-25  2:20     ` David Lang
2023-04-25 22:31       ` Bruce Perens
2023-04-25 23:04         ` Eugene Chang
2023-04-25 23:22           ` David Lang
2023-04-25 23:55             ` Eugene Y Chang
2023-04-26 19:14         ` Michael Richardson
2023-04-25  1:01 ` Bruce Perens
2023-04-26 19:29 ` Dave Taht
2023-04-26 20:05   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-04-26 20:41   ` Rodney W. Grimes [this message]
2023-04-26 21:05     ` Eugene Y Chang
2023-04-26 22:15       ` Mark Handley
2023-04-26 22:29         ` [Starlink] Fondag Bruce Perens
2023-04-26 22:32           ` Rodney W. Grimes
2023-04-26 22:35           ` Nathan Owens
2023-04-26 23:09             ` Nathan Owens
2023-04-27  3:42             ` David Lang
2023-04-26 21:10     ` [Starlink] some post Starship launch thoughts Dave Taht
2023-04-26 21:26       ` Eugene Chang
2023-04-26 22:31       ` Rodney W. Grimes
2023-04-26 22:38         ` Bruce Perens
2023-04-26 23:25         ` Eugene Chang
2023-04-27  3:44         ` David Lang
2023-04-27 14:09           ` Rodney W. Grimes
2023-04-24 16:02 David Fernández
     [not found] <mailman.798.1682383621.1222.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2023-04-25 20:40 ` David P. Reed
2023-04-25 21:31   ` Sauli Kiviranta
2023-04-25 22:37     ` David Lang
2023-05-11 16:24       ` Sauli Kiviranta
2023-04-25 22:33   ` David Lang

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