From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 522233CB38 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 16:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 33QKfOH8096954; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from starlink@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from starlink@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 33QKfOVh096953; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from starlink) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202304262041.33QKfOVh096953@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: To: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT) CC: Dave Taht via Starlink X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Starlink] some post Starship launch thoughts X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 20:41:33 -0000 > As always I enjoy the flood of information we get on this list! > > still, so far, my research on a nitrogen deluge system (instead of > water) has come up empty for me, except as a fire suppressant. So it?s > either crazy or brilliant. Or both! I really liked the idea of > something cooler that was a natural byproduct of the LOX process... I dont think cooler does much, isnt it the "energy of vaporization" that is actually doing all the "work" in this type of system? H2O is 40.7 kJ/mol and LN2 is 5.6 kJ/mol so you would need ~7 times as much LN2 to do the same work. And the reason N2 is used as a fire suppressant is again not because of temperature, but because it displaces the O2 and suffocates the fire. N2 is also easier on our ozone layer than the prior used Halon. Finally, this is usually compressed N2 gas, not LN2. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org