From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 077A13B29D for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2025 13:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75441800E; Thu, 6 Mar 2025 13:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with LMTP id Kk8qpHF83nI2; Thu, 6 Mar 2025 13:48:22 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1741286902; bh=syO/MUv/tQnCvuadNEy8N/XwxvCocvIRRo5pkGvnlAE=; h=From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=vvBDpZdrBf3Gs6lI5vxwTW02DXrM35Hgb8D2fbjzZBrtEubQzY6FOJ9jFtq6pGS9s Rh6u6ROPIVimAd4hJI/ZIx6ZomNqpR/R2oOnH/fRSwwR5KhT1EziGAmTrDafALsPrw ZUKuhgWHFCc5lDuNipWfsL+lqpjA/uGggxxTBqMzIBWmcBNzmF+w3rQlpBSxWwhZP8 eRhc78VS+WwOtI0SkjQAb9dIwMy0LFeoMohHk1TnyGBqYTYbeR2LVbDf93gT3v5R/1 24KVrstRmW4J6c7ovQhjZyv8Bz3KiEqD+pU0zzAWPQ82/bhvj7EHTJMQN2NdyCPiHN yyXZprIkDu8PQ== Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7901800D; Thu, 6 Mar 2025 13:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C2AAD; Thu, 6 Mar 2025 13:48:22 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Nishanth Sastry cc: Dave Taht , Rick Taylor , Kevin Shortt , "Edward J. Birrane" , Starlink BufferBloat List , "Juan A. Fraire" , Erik Kline , Joerg Ott In-Reply-To: <200F1E39-0209-4AED-A431-7B2B408FD4BC@surrey.ac.uk> References: <47A7A95F-B3C7-43A7-9A18-10CA8C2DEC2E@surrey.ac.uk> <200F1E39-0209-4AED-A431-7B2B408FD4BC@surrey.ac.uk> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.8+dev; GNU Emacs 28.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Starlink] IETF side meeting on satellite and deep space networks (Tue Mar 18) X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2025 18:48:25 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Nishanth Sastry via Starlink wrote: > Great question. One clear and easy answer is that this is meant to be > an IRTF group rather than an IETF group, so with more of a focus on > identifying long-term research issues (that are of interest to the IETF > community) rather than on forming standards. We think there is a need > for an IRTF-lens to draw clear boundaries, identify overlaps, and > connect interfaces across architectures (e.g., Bundle Protocol/IP), > different variants the space domain (LEO/DeepSpace), phenomena > (Delay/Disruptions down to relativistic effects), and entities (IETF, > CCSDS, IOAG, but also the private players in the space, like > Starlink). Did you consider rechartering dtnrg ? > That said, the meeting is really to figure out what the community > thinks there is a need for, and indeed, whether there is a need for > something like this. Why not come to the meeting (virtually or in > person) to provide your views and inputs on things we could/should do? > Of course, appreciate that the Bangkok timezone may not work out for > some, but if we manage to get this going, we are hoping to have regular > activities in other IETF meetings which will be in other time zones. It seems to me that there is research needed in predictable routing flaps. Most routing protocols today assume that failures are random. There is some work in RPL (RFC6550) as related to 6TISCH (TSCH) where channels come and go already, but that is multiple times/second vs multiple times/hour. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFFBAEBCgAvFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmfJ7fYRHG1jckBzYW5k ZWxtYW4uY2EACgkQgItw+93Q3WUwOgf/cA6Q2avK+rwIIRk8l2GqL4RqSyee+KNV AFLo6s/4KSp/tpJCjzVx6bTPip6dPqZT6goD8DwQti6qldsugtRbkFmF4xEUhqbz g3fhEkRKIHqbuW/iUoEd7QT5P5phFUgOQu2+atxmvuN3GId/Y9jnEN5pAqgCLitW jrkSFtrp7gxEgOJRQ7DdUy6NUBuCWOkxdfc7mfyUDDbjWgWqTARKbXv+53rPp4UU tnvSvJaRxr7OvwxvYATzHc48LZRVlg2E1tM94zRA5LdlDJaPU2G17P4NJxa/EkKc VdbYnO0DQc3caM8B1Hf5jGaE+b6Eq1+a2TK+lp7cGnTgw9Ig2/lbXQ== =VLAN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--