From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 182FB3B2A4 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [83.61.18.4]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C0EF08C02FE for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 18:03:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1664561008; bh=PFgXj1f4r+Xq0oCYAzY7cQ45OaXTuiyRmuawZTK6T1I=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=TgN/EX0L7e83pOrCnxuVq6acYyYu1KqMM6uL1Aga8RR+TCf1baOSMWnkyWln1LS9P aKoo2p4ncfqAlUZmknOyDxQndirFHYhz9euQcPtRYxa8+9EK3zGUg6Jk5llzGMpwUi A1kteoRWYGTrC/FMQE76c10dPlSUEbVGSP9ZcXWOAM61kp+pKtBoGysL49Lx4AAhbf EO8r3/m0kzSHNIR35PtqnQCrN8o7BqIjQCQTSwkxAjTXFyZ/n7q51PNIbqHTeI+Q0R GNjjlIgEKWWu81tWWHyW+fNg7fp7nkuQRh2nbGmikp8SzjPXF7I2TeH6L0EOx8rpPX rF5EVFqyjNS9Q== Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 20:03:20 +0200 From: Mike Puchol To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <23b8864a-d62a-4147-9ef7-122ebcf7bb4a@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> <9BBC901E-B98E-4C0D-BEEF-2F6D56AB27A3@gmx.de> <14B0D432-15BA-42AE-9D8D-1DF7E7E50402@ieee.org> <760833.1664541518@dooku> <63D0EE5D-9CCE-479C-8BDD-B7A8DCB80925@alum.mit.edu> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 23b8864a-d62a-4147-9ef7-122ebcf7bb4a@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="63372f6d_f3f09d8_1d2" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 18:03:29 -0000 --63372f6d_f3f09d8_1d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Starlink also provides service to McMurdo Station, which is only possible= over ISL on the polar shell satellites, which are still being positioned= : https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/14/spacex-satellite-internet-starlink-come= s-to-antarctica/ Best, Mike On Sep 30, 2022, 19:26 +0200, Nathan Owens via Starlink , wrote: > They intend to cover the whole ocean between =7E-57 and 57 N by the end= of 2022: https://api.starlink.com/public-files/maritime-coverage-map.pdf= > > Per the posts I linked, the lasers are seemingly already working and co= vering some areas. > > > On =46ri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:24 AM Eugene Chang via Starlink wrote: > > > Ow=E2=80=A6 the implications on no satellite to satellite routing i= s all traffic is one-hop. That puts limits on big patches of the Pacific = Basin. (And not a solution for trans-pacific aircraft.) > > > > > > Any clues how far apart are the ground stations=3F That is a lot of= ground stations. This makes me reconsider (terrestrial) fixed-wireless a= s an alternative. > > > > > > Gene > > > ----------------------------------- > > > Eugene Chang > > > eugene.chang=40alum.mit.edu > > > +1-781-799-0233=C2=A0(in Honolulu) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 2022, at 2:38 AM, Michael Richardson via Starlink wrote: > > > > > > > > Signed PGP part > > > > > > > > Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wr= ote: > > > > > Hmmmm=E2=80=A6.. is ground station positioning more about geogr= aphic topology > > > > > or managing subscriber density=3F I suspect it is easier to man= age > > > > > subscriber density (and aggregate traffic) by building higher c= apacity > > > > > ground stations than by distributing ground stations. > > > > > > > > Until they have satellite to satellite routing, the ground statio= ns have to > > > > be =22near=22 the users that they serve. > > > > > > > > My understanding from this list is that's why they couldn't easil= y help Tongo: it > > > > was all just ocean =22nearby=22 (and why they can help Ukraine) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > > Starlink mailing list > > > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --63372f6d_f3f09d8_1d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Starlink also provides service to McMurdo Station, = which is only possible over ISL on the polar shell satellites, which are = still being positioned:

https://techcrun= ch.com/2022/09/14/spacex-satellite-internet-starlink-comes-to-antarctica/=

Best,

Mike
On Sep 30, 2022, 19:26 +0200, Natha= n Owens via Starlink <starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
They intend to cover the whole ocean between =7E-57 and 57 N by the = end of 2022: https://api.starlink.com/public-files/maritime-covera= ge-map.pdf

Per the posts I linked, the lasers are seemingly already working and= covering some areas.

On =46ri, Sep 30, 2022 at= 10:24 AM Eugene Chang via Starlink <starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Ow=E2=80=A6 the implication= s on no satellite to satellite routing is all traffic is one-hop. That pu= ts limits on big patches of the Pacific Basin. (And not a solution for tr= ans-pacific aircraft.)

Any clues how far apart are the ground stations=3F That is a lot of = ground stations. This makes me reconsider (terrestrial) fixed-wireless as= an alternative.

Gene
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Eugene Chang
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