From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp112.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (smtp112.ord1c.emailsrvr.com [108.166.43.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 484463B2A4 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:42:57 -0500 (EST) X-Auth-ID: tom@evslin.com Received: by smtp23.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: tom-AT-evslin.com) with ESMTPSA id 2CBDB400B1; Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: To: "'Nathan Owens'" , "'David Lang'" Cc: References: <531qo367-1n76-1668-4n54-2o8nspps382@ynat.uz> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <23e201d82f26$1d938720$58ba9560$@evslin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_23E3_01D82EFC.34C21300" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJdmP6SfP2fIrA+8XnF41JXbcvOlwGjGa9IAhU9zZgCQRWGMAEWnnxpq2qZYrA= Content-Language: en-us X-Classification-ID: e4b7431f-cb08-446a-9fec-db02f4ebc62a-1-1 Subject: Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 17:42:57 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_23E3_01D82EFC.34C21300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve also stayed with my Starlink connection for = teleconferencing altho we now have fiber available. My connection is not = usually the worst on the call but not perfect either. If I were a job = seeker or being paid to present AND I had a choice, I wouldn=E2=80=99t = use Starlink when critical =20 From: Starlink On Behalf Of = Nathan Owens Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:16 PM To: David Lang Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Starlink] recent starlink rrul test result =20 Same here, Google Meet / Zoom / Teams / FaceTime are great. =20 Dave, can you post the commands to run those flent measurements? I also = finally recreated that irtt-based scatterplot, attached.=20 =20 On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:15 AM David Lang > wrote: That said, I've been using starlink for work zoom calls for a while with = no=20 significant issues (nothing I can pin on my side vs the other = participants) David Lang On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Dave Taht wrote: > wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec intervals, induced > latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload throughput relative to > down. > > H/T David Lang for this data. > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, Jason > > = wrote: >> >> When folks experience sub-par video conferencing over Starlink, it'd = be great to see working latency stats at that time - such as via the = easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat. >> >> =EF=BB=BFOn 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht" = on behalf of = dave.taht@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/2022/02/starlinks-= zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFr= ivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$ = =20 >> >> -- >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps*= 3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjV= e0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$ = =20 >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net = =20 >> = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starli= nk__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5= CxlN2sj_SP7yVhg$ = =20 >> > > >_______________________________________________ Starlink mailing list Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net =20 https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink ------=_NextPart_000_23E3_01D82EFC.34C21300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99ve also stayed with = my Starlink connection for teleconferencing altho we now have fiber = available. My connection is not usually the worst on the call but not = perfect either. If I were a job seeker or being paid to present AND I = had a choice, I wouldn=E2=80=99t use Starlink when = critical

 

From: Starlink = <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of = Nathan Owens
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:16 = PM
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: = starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] recent = starlink rrul test result

 

Same here, Google Meet / Zoom / Teams / FaceTime are = great.

 

Dave, can you post the commands to run those flent = measurements? I also finally recreated that irtt-based scatterplot, = attached.

 

On = Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:15 AM David Lang <david@lang.hm> = wrote:

That = said, I've been using starlink for work zoom calls for a while with no =
significant issues (nothing I can pin on my side vs the other = participants)

David Lang

On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Dave Taht = wrote:

> wildly variable bandwidth, adjusted at 15 sec = intervals, induced
> latencies of 400ms, really terrible upload = throughput relative to
> down.
>
> H/T David Lang for = this data.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Livingood, = Jason
> <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> = wrote:
>>
>> When folks experience sub-par video = conferencing over Starlink, it'd be great to see working latency stats = at that time - such as via the easy test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat.
>= >
>> =EF=BB=BFOn 2/23/22, 09:38, "Starlink on behalf of = Dave Taht" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf = of dave.taht@gmail.com> = wrote:
>>
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.tomevslin.com/= 2022/02/starlinks-zoomready-rating-is-going-down.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZj= oTCGYO2gkt9xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj8WTA26WA$>>
>>     --
>>    =  I tried to build a better future, a few times:
>>  =    https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wayforward.archive.= org/?site=3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fwww.icei.org__;JSUl!!CQl3mcHX2A!TjZjoTCGYO2gkt9= xYrGdFrivrejHIdNjVe0TtEsCuQfDJTyNNy4u3_5CxlN2sj-yqmwsLA$
>><= br>>>     Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, = LLC
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