From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>, dan <dandenson@gmail.com>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 11:26:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2885829.1679221616@dyas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <569691b3e7dfc57bbf98c4fc168fc6cf@rjmcmahon.com>
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{lots of lists on the CC}
The problem I have with lorawan is that it's too small for anything but the
smallest sensors. When it breaks (due to infant death or just vanadalism)
who is going to notice enough to fix it? My belief is that people won't
break things that they like/depend upon. Or at least, that there will be
social pressure not to.
Better to have a protected 1Mb/s sensor lan within a 144Mb/s wifi than a
adjacent lorawan.
--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
-= IPv6 IoT consulting =- *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
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[not found] <mailman.2651.1672779463.1281.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2023-01-03 22:58 ` [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA David P. Reed
2023-01-09 14:44 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 15:26 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 19:06 ` David Collier-Brown
2023-01-09 18:54 ` [Starlink] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12 ` [Starlink] " dan
2023-03-13 16:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26 ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 4:27 ` [Starlink] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-14 17:35 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-14 18:14 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18 ` dan
2023-03-14 19:30 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 0:11 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-15 5:20 ` Bruce Perens
[not found] ` <CALQXh-PUgix7ApkTi5W8TMKVZfE4fyNk4WeiocZ6QU6R-m7naA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-03-15 17:05 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 17:44 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 19:22 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:42 ` dan
2023-03-15 18:03 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-15 19:33 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08 ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26 ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [Starlink] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` David Lang
[not found] ` <CAJUtOOgC8O2jvT7eZ0O8nU8kCPOeCgVPTBNKaA3ZqLpJf4obJw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-03-20 21:28 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi dan
[not found] ` <CAJUtOOhPsiC=9SM3rUUxWuh4euLbDxVqcrM6hioDykZaWYfy6Q@mail.gmail.com>
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [Starlink] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-21 0:10 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
[not found] ` <CAJUtOOhinMu4Mv9EW-PB7ef9EHWL3inpeABUqFt0UDAw47MixA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-03-21 11:26 ` [Starlink] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:29 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08 ` rjmcmahon
[not found] ` <CAJUtOOiMk+PBK2ZRFsZA8EFEgqfHY3Zpw9=kAkJZpePx9OzeMw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-03-21 19:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39 ` [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50 ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 0:07 ` Nathan Owens
2023-03-26 0:50 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 8:45 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-03-26 18:54 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 0:28 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:57 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:57 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 23:33 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 23:38 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:20 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 18:29 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 10:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 18:12 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 20:57 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 21:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 21:26 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 17:06 ` Larry Press
2023-03-28 17:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 18:11 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-28 18:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 20:37 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 21:31 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 22:18 ` dan
2023-03-28 22:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 8:28 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 12:27 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-29 13:22 ` Doc Searls
2023-03-29 13:40 ` [Starlink] Enabling a production model Dave Taht
2023-03-29 14:54 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-29 16:53 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-29 18:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 17:13 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-29 17:34 ` dan
2023-03-29 20:03 ` David Lang
2023-04-02 12:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 17:46 ` Rich Brown
2023-03-29 19:02 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:08 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:31 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:11 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-04-02 11:39 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 13:46 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-29 14:57 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:23 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 19:02 ` [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 19:37 ` dan
2023-03-25 20:27 ` [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15 ` [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-14 18:05 ` [Starlink] " Steve Stroh
2023-03-13 19:33 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
2023-03-13 19:52 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 21:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:27 ` dan
2023-03-14 9:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:45 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:02 ` [Starlink] When do you drop? Always! Dave Taht
2023-03-13 21:42 ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-03-13 16:04 ` [Starlink] UnderBloat on fiber and wisps Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:09 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:35 ` Mike Puchol
2023-01-09 20:49 ` [Starlink] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 19:13 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:47 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-11 18:32 ` Rodney W. Grimes
2023-01-11 20:01 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-11 20:09 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-12 8:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-12 17:49 ` Robert McMahon
2023-01-09 20:20 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 20:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 20:59 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 21:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-10 17:36 ` David P. Reed
2023-03-20 8:18 [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi David Fernández
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