From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB0F83CB38; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 06:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyas.sandelman.ca (dynamic-046-114-137-109.46.114.pool.telefonica.de [46.114.137.109]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F20E61F479; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 43768A1A61; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 06:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyas (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E8CA1043; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 11:26:56 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Richardson To: rjmcmahon , dan , Rpm , libreqos , Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat In-reply-to: <569691b3e7dfc57bbf98c4fc168fc6cf@rjmcmahon.com> References: <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com> <77CCAD19-07E0-4F9E-88C1-D207CF7BF376@cable.comcast.com> <83ffc0dad19e3343e49271889369cefc@rjmcmahon.com> <3CD0B9E6-0B2A-4A70-8F53-ED0822DF77A6@gmx.de> <13DE6E53-665F-4C20-BBE2-70E685421E9D@gmx.de> <22C819FA-DDD7-4B9B-8C09-8008D4273287@gmx.de> <5e7fac51071bdbb20837e72e7eedfc7c@rjmcmahon.com> <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> <70F71290-C6CB-4D19-8A88-F0F17C0BDDA2@gmx.de> <5e0cd693c4749d128dbb48d6c1129071@rjmcmahon.com> <2ab2983d-6beb-49cb-8c35-e481cbfdc7a3@Spark> <8F56CCA3-61C4-475F-975D-99D851C6A7CF@gmx.de> <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> <005d1e7e3e1d19bce308436e46a3ec5e@rjmcmahon.com> <569691b3e7dfc57bbf98c4fc168fc6cf@rjmcmahon.com> Comments: In-reply-to rjmcmahon via Starlink message dated "Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:40:30 -0700." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 11:26:56 +0100 Message-ID: <2885829.1679221616@dyas> Subject: Re: [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:27:29 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain {lots of lists on the CC} The problem I have with lorawan is that it's too small for anything but the smallest sensors. When it breaks (due to infant death or just vanadalism) who is going to notice enough to fix it? My belief is that people won't break things that they like/depend upon. Or at least, that there will be social pressure not to. Better to have a protected 1Mb/s sensor lan within a 144Mb/s wifi than a adjacent lorawan. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- *I*LIKE*TRAINS* --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAmQW428ACgkQlUzhVv38 QpA7iwgAk3gEkCjkzjuS8UPtfAa8RCAtQGDRJ32iBjJjlok4QuRO8EQLs2zx/xXk moS9pzpBJjUGO866Rj+ETxZIaWrxllSpZUxerK8KhdSVgxUZEgfbtMdSZfZkWex/ fNJEkZJhqLU3Vp6h/quQkHZWcQY2nFeN3NAxy1ZJDxWyKJyIe2/YGTIN5xCXBTOt INzAeYyqAi7iyltnxmtiyHP5A03oriepkxLfoIhnKNP/641EDhAB5Rot9HgRRQd0 PNI+6qlPXPQJk4XsdPHkJSrsOrtEtnSqifdwEBbRwUaZanAf5jA/SAhFNmto17XI 8rj1NKInEiX2H8MEONK5fXENCK2Zwg== =uSpJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--