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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 23:18:19 -0000 The TLDR; is probably: - site originally used a sort of short form Environmental Impact = Statement to certify for occasional falcon 9 launches, not exploding = starship testing - updates have been made to allow for the testing, and this is where the = recent lawsuits are centered - crazy things have been floated for the site (LNG shipping terminal, = 250MW power plant) that would have required new evals - lots of this is probably traceable to Musk=E2=80=99s lack of local PR = and just trying to crash forward and the recent train derailments in the = news raising awareness - SpaceX seems to be realizing this site may not be what they need and = may to be looking at doing more at Kennedy Space Center in the future - if the lawsuit against the EPA stays in Washington DC, it may be = trouble for SpaceX, if it moves to Texas at the EPAs request, it=E2=80=99s= more likely to mean little overall But you miss a lot of somewhat interesting policy and background on the = Environmental angle, which turns out to be more involved than I=E2=80=99d = have thought from a distance.=20 Also nice that the Planetary Society posts a full transcript if you=E2=80=99= d rather read/skim than listen. > On May 12, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > could you summarize? >=20 > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:48=E2=80=AFAM Darrell Budic via Starlink > wrote: >>=20 >> Some intersting coverage on the route SpaceX took with their Boca = Chica site and environmental issues here: >>=20 >> = https://www.planetary.org/planetary-radio/space-policy-edition-spacexs-sta= rship-vs-the-environment-with-eric-roesch >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Podcast: = https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos