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From: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: Dave Taht <davet@teklibre.net>, starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] dynamically adjusting cake to starlink
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2021 12:39:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <29781.1623256782@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2106091137570.13354@uplift.swm.pp.se>

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Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
    > Would be nice if there was a generic mechanism for this but since several of
    > these devices use L2 I think it'd have to be something LLDP like (also on
    > L2).

Yes, that makes sense, or using a PPP LCP attribute for DSL links.

    > Dave, how often does information regarding rate/scheduler need to be
    > distributed from the scheduling node to the node that is trying to not use
    > the upstream buffer? I presume this is in the 0.1 to 1s range, because the
    > scheduler might change quite frequently and substantially?

I wonder if LLDP like updates that frequently.
I'm told that on multi-port (like 48) ethernet switches, that the LLDP
channel from fabric to control plane is rate limited to around O(10) packets/s!
This might be irrelevant to the applications we are imagining.



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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-09 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-06  3:31 [Starlink] pretty cool starlink visualizer Darrell Budic
2021-06-06  4:26 ` David Lang
2021-06-08 21:54 ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09  9:12   ` [Starlink] dynamically adjusting cake to starlink Dave Taht
2021-06-09 10:20     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2021-06-09 16:39       ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2021-06-09 18:10         ` David Lang
2021-06-09 12:09     ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09 12:16     ` Mike Puchol
2021-06-09 13:21       ` Dave Taht
2021-06-09 14:12       ` Michael Richardson
2021-06-09 15:23         ` Mike Puchol
2021-06-09 21:18           ` Michael Richardson
2021-06-09 21:36             ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09 23:37               ` Mike Puchol
2021-06-09 15:32       ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09 15:46         ` David Lang

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