From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cmail.nextlayer.at (cmail.nextlayer.at [IPv6:2a01:190:1600:2164::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76FB13B29E for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 23:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Mailerdaemon) with ESMTPSA id C63F840386 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 05:54:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <29e195fa-1ca9-4f44-8d52-242ecfd4cc26@falco.ca> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 21:57:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <9fdbc7c2-a474-4c0d-85d8-e818b4a196d9@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Language: en-CA, de-AT From: Daniel AJ Sokolov In-Reply-To: <9fdbc7c2-a474-4c0d-85d8-e818b4a196d9@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: TLSv1.3 Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink in Northern Europe: A New Look at Stationary and In-motion Performance X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 04:54:43 -0000 On 2025-02-27 at 21:22, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: > Some time late last year, a lot of areas around the globe started > popping up as "sold out" on Starlink's availability. These areas have > since increased, especially in the Americas. For all I could tell, most > of these areas have the following in common: significant population > density and severe lack of terrestrial broadband infrastructure. In Whitehorse itself it is mostly a question of price. We have broadband over coaxial cable, up to 750 MBit/s down and 35 MBit/s up. But it is not cheap. Residential Starlink is CAD 140/month and includes a WiFi functionality. The local ISP, Northwestel, enjoys a monopoly. In reaction to Starlink, they have lowered the price for the least expensive unlimited plan to CAD 135 (incl. a Wifi modem), but that is only 50/10 Mbit/s, and not available to businesses. Businesses have to pay at least CAD 300 for an unlimited plan (also 50/10). So Starlink is simply cheaper, especially for businesses. If you have access to a roof. I look out the window and I see two Starlink units used residentially, right next to one another. We also have 5G coverage, but again it is too expensive to replace a household's coaxial cable with all its data volume. Having said that, there are areas outside the core of the city where you can not reasonably get terrestrial service (nor 5G). We have a housing crisis, so there are plenty of people living in tiny homes on wheels, yurts, wooden cabins without running water nor electricity, RVs, etc. Yes, even at -40° C/F. For them it, is Starlink, potentially powered by a solar pane and a generator for the Winter months. If anyone is interested in our local prices, check https://nwtel.ca/business/internet/business-internet-plans https://nwtel.ca/internet-plans after choosing "Whitehorse Central" is the Community. Myself, I just use a 20/3 MBit/s line for CAD 80. I have my own Wifi device (Turris Omnia). However, should I exceed 300 GB in a month, overage fees would be onerous. at CAD 2/GByte. I am sure this is not unlike many islands in Oceania. In many respects, Whitehorse is like an island. Cheers Daniel PS: The Yukon's settlements outside Whitehorse have FTTH (all but the fly-in community of Old Crow). Prices are like Whitehorse, but they can get more symmetric bandwidth up to 750 MBit/s. Still some people use Starlink, again mostly for cost reasons. Also, the local ISP hasn't done a good job in endearing the locals to the company.