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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On December 13, 2025 12:02:12 PM GMT+01:00, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink = wrote: >Sadly, no real deal; FQ-CoDel with BQL and CAKE, from what I see=2E This is, as expected=2E pretty weak=2E It is a way for stations to request= an AP to put specific downstream flows in specific user priorities and the= reby into different Access Classes, which are WiFi's stochastic priority ti= ers=2E The base idea is not terrible, and as so often the Linux bufferbloat/qos c= ommunity is doing something similar already (taking potentially validated D= SCP markings from upstream packets and copy them unto related downstream pa= ckets, to allow priority treatment of downstream packets in accordance with= local priority rules)=2E But it is also not earth shattering and massively relies on that local pri= ority tiers make sense=2E And there this proposal falls quite short, the 4 = EDCA classes with their default parameters are not a well balanced and sele= cted set, but rather a quickly thrown together demo how this mechanism coul= d be used that nobody so far touched again=2E I have been told, they needed= to put something into the standard and so they did, nobody said it needed = to be optimal, and it was assumed local networks would do their own local o= ptimisations#=2E I am with Koen De Schepper on this (as far as I understand his proposal, I= might be wrong in my understanding, so do not assume flaws in Koen's propo= sal) replace the four ACs with a single AC that shares well with itself (an= d with the existing default ACs, as the world is going to ude thecdefaults = for a long time) and put all the additional logic into the stations' and AP= s' queue management=2E The discussion how to manage those queues best is IM= HO not settled yet=2E #) Which was not a well thought out plan, at least not for the world we li= ve in now with massive amounts of overlapping WiFi networks that share airt= ime, if I configure all my traffic to use AC_VO I will steal airtime from m= y neighbours' using the same channel=2E Koen's proposed better single AC pa= rameters share airtime reasonably equitably with the existing default EDCA = parameter sets andchence seem safe to deploy=2E > >All the best, > >Frank >Frantisek (Frank) Borsik > >In loving memory of Dave T=C3=A4ht: 1965-2025 >https://libreqos=2Eio/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/ > > >https://www=2Elinkedin=2Ecom/in/frantisekborsik >Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >Skype: casioa5302ca >frantisek=2Eborsik@gmail=2Ecom > > >On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 at 3:12=E2=80=AFPM, Inemesit Affia via Starlink < >starlink@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote: > >> From >> >> https://www=2Ercrwireless=2Ecom/20251205/network-infrastructure/wi-fi-q= os >> >> Dec 11, 2025 2:40:31 AM Inemesit Affia : >> >> > An image from AWS Invent=2E >> > >> > They expect sub 46-50 ms at launch=2E >> > >> > None of us live in a POP/NAP but I've seen Speedtest pings on Starlin= k >> sub 17ms so=2E=2E >> > >> > I wonder what OneWeb is capable of=2E I'm seeing 45ms as best case fo= r >> them in the field=2E >> > >> > Dec 9, 2025 12:33:51 AM David Lang : >> > >> >> Michael Kan wrote: >> >> >> >>> latency for Amazon Leo? https://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch?v=3DnZCx6= 12z930 >> >> >> >> Until they have the system operational, be very leery about bandwidt= h >> and latency claims=2E >> >> >> >> Remember that Starlink had to do-bloat things to make their >> user-experienced latency line up with their early lab tests=2E >> >> >> >> David Lang >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >> To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Ene= t >> >_______________________________________________ >Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E