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X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2024 21:08:35 -0000 --------------oiH47QTVp0LW6z8RecV94HJJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool: I got 01-08-2024 21:04:41 UTC Go Responsiveness to mensura.cdn-apple.com:443... Results: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Download: Throughput: 150.234 Mbps (18.779 MBps), using 8 parallel connection= s. RPM: 624 (P90) RPM: 1005 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Upload: Throughput: 13.124 Mbps (1.641 MBps), using 8 parallel connections. RPM: 360 (P90) RPM: 1210 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Final RPM: 392 (P90) Final RPM: 1124 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) Now all I have to do is figure out what it means (;-)) --dave On 2024-01-08 14:45, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Sebastian Moeller via Bloat Date: Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 2:41=E2=80=AFPM Subject: [Bloat] goresponsiveness learned a few tricks... To: Dave Taht via Bloat Just a quick shoutout to Will Hawkins goresponsiveness effort (h++ps://github.com/network-quality/goresponsiveness: open source go implementation along the lines of the RPM IETF responsiveness draft (h++ps://github.com/network-quality/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness). The goal I think is a quick latency under working conditions/latency under load for the rest of us. I think the draft likely will get a last call soon, so whoever wants to add something to the spec or just wants to comment, now would be a good time: goresponsiveness is currently acquiring a few nice features, like the ability to compare the latency between idle and working conditions, run both saturating loads concurrently, and to report the sub results for the "self" probes (measuring latency within the load generating connection/flow) and the "foreign" probes (measuring latency outside of the load generating flows) bash-3.2$ ./networkQuality --relative-rpm --rpm.parallel --config mensura.cdn-apple.com --port 443 --path /api/v1/gm/config --rpm.timeout 120 --extended-stats --rpm.mnp 32 --logger-filename go_networkQuality_20231228_223707 --detailed 01-08-2024 19:37:07 UTC Go Responsiveness to mensura.cdn-apple.com:443... Baseline RPM: 2813 (P90) Baseline RPM: 3888 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) Results: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Download: Throughput: 80.367 Mbps (10.046 MBps), using 13 parallel connection= s. Extended Statistics: Maximum Segment Size: 1208 Total Bytes Retransmitted: 2860 Retransmission Ratio: 0.25% Total Bytes Reordered: 140968234 Average RTT: 34.30769230769231 RPM: 264 (P90) RPM: 509 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Upload: Throughput: 30.124 Mbps (3.766 MBps), using 9 parallel connections. Extended Statistics: Maximum Segment Size: 1208 Total Bytes Retransmitted: 466855 Retransmission Ratio: 0.95% Total Bytes Reordered: 700 Average RTT: 37 RPM: 676 (P90) RPM: 2536 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Final RPM Calculation stats: Total Self Probes: 933 Total Foreign Probes: 2799 Trimmed Self Probes Count: 46 Trimmed Foreign Probes Count: 139 P90 Self RTT: 0.379444841 P90 Foreign RTT: 0.031294024999999996 Trimmed Mean Self RTT: 0.035124 Trimmed Mean Foreign RTT: 0.017979 Final RPM: 292 (P90) Final RPM: 2260 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) Final RPM (Self Only): 158 (P90) Final RPM (Self Only): 1708 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) Final RPM (Foreign Only): 1917 (P90) Final RPM (Foreign Only): 3337 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) Working Conditions RPM Effect: 162% (P90) Working Conditions RPM Effect: 53% (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean) The beauty of the self and foreign reports is that here we can see that my cake'd upstream does a decent job to preserve foreign responsiveness while in the self responsiveness we see how TCP self-congests like there is no tomorrow... 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Cool: I got 

01-08-2024 21:04:41 UTC =
Go Responsiveness to mensura.cdn-apple.com:443...
Results:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Download:
	Throughput: 150.234 Mbps (18.779 MBps), using 8 parallel connections.
	RPM: 624 (P90)
	RPM: 1005 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Upload:
	Throughput: 13.124 Mbps (1.641 MBps), using 8 parallel connections.
	RPM: 360 (P90)
	RPM: 1210 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Final RPM: 392 (P90)
Final RPM: 1124 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)

Now all I have to do is figure out what it m= eans (;-))

--dave

On 2024-01-08 14:45, Dave Taht via Starlink = wrote:
---------- Forwarded message -------=
--
From: Sebastian Moeller via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>=

Date: Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 2:41=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: [Bloat] goresponsiveness learned a few tricks...
To: Dave Taht via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>


Just a quick shoutout to Will Hawkins goresponsiveness effort
(h++ps://github.com/network-quality/goresponsiveness: open source go
implementation along the lines of the RPM IETF responsiveness draft
(h++ps://github.com/network-quality/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness).

The goal I think is a quick latency under working conditions/latency
under load for the rest of us. I think the draft likely will get a
last call soon, so whoever wants to add something to the spec or just
wants to comment, now would be a good time:

goresponsiveness is currently acquiring a few nice features, like the
ability to compare the latency between idle and working conditions,
run both saturating loads concurrently, and to report the sub results
for the "self" probes (measuring latency within the load generati=
ng
connection/flow) and the "foreign" probes (measuring latency outs=
ide
of the load generating flows)

bash-3.2$ ./networkQuality --relative-rpm --rpm.parallel --config
mensura.cdn-apple.com --port 443 --path /api/v1/gm/config
--rpm.timeout 120 --extended-stats --rpm.mnp 32 --logger-filename
go_networkQuality_20231228_223707 --detailed
01-08-2024 19:37:07 UTC Go Responsiveness to mensura.cdn-apple.com:443...
Baseline RPM:  2813 (P90)
Baseline RPM:  3888 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
Results:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Download:
        Throughput: 80.367 Mbps (10.046 MBps), using 13 parallel connection=
s.
        Extended Statistics:
                Maximum Segment Size: 1208
                Total Bytes Retransmitted: 2860
                Retransmission Ratio: 0.25%
                Total Bytes Reordered: 140968234
                Average RTT: 34.30769230769231
        RPM: 264 (P90)
        RPM: 509 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Upload:
        Throughput: 30.124 Mbps (3.766 MBps), using 9 parallel connections.
        Extended Statistics:
                Maximum Segment Size: 1208
                Total Bytes Retransmitted: 466855
                Retransmission Ratio: 0.95%
                Total Bytes Reordered: 700
                Average RTT: 37
        RPM: 676 (P90)
        RPM: 2536 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Final RPM Calculation stats:
        Total Self Probes:            933
        Total Foreign Probes:         2799
        Trimmed Self Probes Count:    46
        Trimmed Foreign Probes Count: 139
        P90 Self RTT:                 0.379444841
        P90 Foreign RTT:              0.031294024999999996
        Trimmed Mean Self RTT:        0.035124
        Trimmed Mean Foreign RTT:     0.017979

Final RPM: 292 (P90)
Final RPM: 2260 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
Final RPM (Self Only): 158 (P90)
Final RPM (Self Only): 1708 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
Final RPM (Foreign Only): 1917 (P90)
Final RPM (Foreign Only): 3337 (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)
Working Conditions RPM Effect:   162% (P90)
Working Conditions RPM Effect:    53% (Single-Sided 5% Trimmed Mean)


The beauty of the self and foreign reports is that here we can see
that my cake'd upstream does a decent job to preserve foreign
responsiveness while in the self responsiveness we see how TCP
self-congests like there is no tomorrow... Please ignore the download
direction, this is over a 100 Mbps USB ethernet dongle and my true
download shaper is set to 105 Mbps, so this is mostly the bad USB
dongle in action...



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David Collier-Brown,         | Always do right. This will gratify
System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com |              -- =
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