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From: "Nils Andreas Svee" <me@lochnair.net>
To: "Sebastian Moeller" <moeller0@gmx.de>, "David Lang" <david@lang.hm>
Cc: "Dave Taht via Starlink" <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] starlink and VPN
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 22:36:44 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2bbbeb23-fb78-4cc2-ad4b-0bce4d2e96af@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D748D4E8-5872-4A32-81DE-4EE15E21EB2A@gmx.de>

Correct, and by design I believe, as TCP-in-TCP isn't really ideal.
The documentation points to tools such as [1] or [2] if TCP transport is absolutely necessary.

[1]: https://github.com/wangyu-/udp2raw
[2]: https://github.com/rfc1036/udptunnel

Best Regards
Nils

On Tue, Jan 21, 2025, at 22:27, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote:
> Hi David,
>
>> On 21. Jan 2025, at 16:22, David Lang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> 
>> b. angel wrote:
>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I gave up on open VPN and starlink a while ago. I've implemented wireguard
>>> tunnels with success and reliability.
>> 
>> did you end up having to do anything with MTU? Did you use TCP or UDP for your transport?
>
> Wireguard itself only allows UDP IIRC, you would need an additional 
> outer TCP tunnel if you want/need TCP on the outside...
>
>> 
>> David Lang
>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 23:25 David Lang via Starlink <
>>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> has anyone done any work with openvpn over starlink (especially if they
>>>> got the
>>>> connectors to completely bypass the router)?
>>>> 
>>>> I've got the basic connectivity working, but am having problems trying to
>>>> get
>>>> openvpn to work (especially for traffic back through the cgnat to the
>>>> router on
>>>> the starlink side)
>>>> 
>>>> the logs on the client are reporting link local: (not bound) when trying
>>>> UDP,
>>>> when I try TCP (and clamp the mtu low) I can connect from the starlink
>>>> side (st
>>>> least sometimes) but cannot get the routing the other way to work
>>>> 
>>>> David Lang
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-21 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-21  7:25 David Lang
2025-01-21 11:43 ` David Collier-Brown
2025-01-21 15:12 ` b. angel
2025-01-21 15:22   ` David Lang
2025-01-21 15:27     ` Sebastian Moeller
2025-01-21 15:36       ` Nils Andreas Svee [this message]
2025-01-21 15:45       ` David Lang
2025-01-21 16:14     ` Keith Simonsen
2025-01-21 16:45       ` David Lang
2025-01-21 15:36 ` Gert Doering
2025-01-21 15:52   ` David Lang
2025-01-21 23:02 ` Dino Farinacci
2025-01-22 22:53   ` Dave Taht
2025-01-22 23:25     ` Dino Farinacci
2025-01-22 23:29       ` Darrell Budic
2025-01-22 23:42         ` Dino Farinacci
2025-01-23  3:10     ` David Lang
2025-01-23 17:31       ` J Pan

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