Re: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks

[David Lang <david@lang.hm>]

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it's very clear that there is a computer in the dishy that you are talking to. 
You get the network connection while the dishy is not connected to the 
satellites (there's even a status page and controls, stowing and unstowing for 
example)

I think we've seen that the dishy is running linux (I know the routers run an 
old openwrt), but I don't remember the details of the dishy software.

David Lang

  On Sun, 17 Sep 2023, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink wrote:

> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:21:50 +0200
> From: Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Reply-To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
> To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and
>      Terrestial Networks
> 
>
> Le 16/09/2023 à 01:32, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink a écrit :
>> On 16/09/2023 5:52 am, David Lang wrote:
>>>
>>> In addition to that Ulrich says, the dishy is a full computer, it's 
>>> output is ethernet/IP and with some adapters or cable changes, you 
>>> can plug it directly into a router.
>>
>> We've done that with the Yaosheng PoE Dishy adapter - actually plugged 
>> a DHCP client straight in - and it "works" but with a noticeably 
>> higher rate of disconnects.
>
> It is good to know one can plug a DHCP client into the Ethernet of the 
> DISHY and receive DHCP replies.
>
> But that would be only a lead into what kind of DHCPv4 is supported, or not.
>
> I would ask to know whether the DHCP server runs on the DISHY, or 
> whether it is on the ground network of starlink, i.e. the reply to DHCP 
> request comes after 50ms, or after 500microseconds (timestamp difference 
> can be seen in the wireshark run on that Ethernet).
>
> This (DHCP server daemon on dishy or on ground segment) has an impact of 
> how IPv6  can be, or is, made to work.
>
> This kind of behaviour of DHCP - basically asking who allocates an 
> address - has seen a continous evolution in 3GPP cellular networks since 
> they appeared.  Nowadays the DHCP behaviour is very complex in a 3GPP 
> network; even in a typical smartphone there are intricacies about where 
> and how the DHCP client and server works. With it comes the problem of 
> /64 in cellular networks (which some dont call a problem, but I do).
>
> So, it would be interesting to see whether starlink has the same /64 
> problem as 3GPP has, or is free of it (simply put: can I connect several 
> Ethernet subnets in my home to starlink, in native IPv6 that is, or not?).
>
> Alex
>
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