Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad.
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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
	Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Colin_Higbie <CHigbie1@Higbie.name>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Itʼs the Latency, FCC
Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 15:17:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <30070.1714677437@obiwan.sandelman.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79C02ABB-B2A6-4B4D-98F4-6540D3F96EBB@ieee.org>

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Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    > Shouldn’t we create a demo to show the solution?  To show is more
    > effective than to debate. It is impossible to explain to some people.

There were demos of fq_codel doing a visible *to the eye* improvement on
straight browsing at a number of IETF Hackathons.  The kit involved was an
entire CMTS+CM head-end.  The improvements were due to DNS not having to wait.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide





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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-02 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.2773.1714488060.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-04-30 18:05 ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 19:04   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  0:36     ` David Lang
2024-05-01  1:30       ` [Starlink] Itʼs " Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  1:52         ` Jim Forster
2024-05-01  3:59           ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  4:12             ` David Lang
2024-05-01 10:15               ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-01 18:51               ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01 19:18                 ` David Lang
2024-05-01 21:11                   ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-01 22:10                     ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01 21:12                   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01 21:27                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-05-01 22:19                       ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-06 11:25                         ` [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem Rich Brown
2024-05-06 12:11                           ` Dave Collier-Brown
2024-05-07  0:43                             ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-07 12:05                               ` Dave Collier-Brown
     [not found]                           ` <CAJUtOOhH3oPDCyo=mk=kwzm5DiFp7OZPiFu+0MzajTQqps==_g@mail.gmail.com>
2024-05-06 19:47                             ` Rich Brown
2024-05-07  0:38                           ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-07 10:50                             ` Rich Brown
2024-05-08  1:48                           ` Dave Taht
2024-05-08  7:58                             ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-08  8:01                               ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-08 18:29                             ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-04 18:19                             ` Stuart Cheshire
2024-06-04 20:06                               ` Sauli Kiviranta
2024-06-04 20:58                                 ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-05 11:36                                   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-05 13:08                                     ` Aidan Van Dyk
2024-06-05 13:28                                       ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-05 13:40                                         ` Gert Doering
2024-06-05 13:43                                           ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-05 14:16                                             ` David Lang
2024-06-05 15:10                                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-06-05 16:21                                           ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-05 19:17                                     ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-04 23:03                               ` Rich Brown
2024-06-04 23:36                                 ` [Starlink] Consumer Reportes (was: The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem) David Collier-Brown
2024-06-06 17:51                                 ` [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem Stuart Cheshire
2024-06-07  2:28                                   ` Dave Taht
2024-06-07  5:36                                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-06-07  7:51                                       ` Gert Doering
2024-05-02 19:17         ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2024-05-02  9:09     ` [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-02  9:28       ` Ulrich Speidel
2024-04-30 20:05   ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-05-02  9:21     ` Alexandre Petrescu
     [not found] <mailman.2785.1714507537.1074.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-04-30 20:48 ` Colin  Higbie
2024-05-01  0:51   ` David Lang
2024-05-01  2:46     ` [Starlink] Itʼs " Colin_Higbie
2024-05-01  3:18       ` David Lang
2024-05-01  3:38         ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-01  3:51           ` David Lang
2024-05-01  4:16             ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-01  7:40               ` David Lang
2024-05-01 15:13                 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-01  3:54       ` James Forster
     [not found] <mailman.11.1710518402.17089.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2024-03-15 18:32 ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin  Higbie
2024-03-15 18:41   ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-15 19:53     ` Spencer Sevilla
2024-03-15 23:07       ` David Lang
2024-03-16 18:45         ` [Starlink] Itʼs " Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 19:09           ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-03-16 19:26             ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 19:45               ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-03-16 23:05           ` David Lang
2024-04-30  0:39   ` [Starlink] It’s " David Lang
2024-04-30  1:30     ` [Starlink] Itʼs " Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30  2:16       ` David Lang

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