From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 478793B2A4 for ; Thu, 2 May 2024 15:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7DB3899C; Thu, 2 May 2024 15:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id DjoqqMXUs39j; Thu, 2 May 2024 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D553899A; Thu, 2 May 2024 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1714677437; bh=CDYXYKXiisQ6In4BND21YjSjer3q9fJQ+vyXT5NQj7g=; h=From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=C98zyX9nivNiYo67JqmBKsOYPGE/Y7kjpw32g1lDE/qaQOPf+CUk+wSiSuDEy3c0b iyTCrwlo1vuxsKocnfafCryVKv2F+eZtXaZ8hV9ou2EpCp1jFbxSD5K0Jfkv0IEWWB mIpM+FXJCzmhEb3B36s599J8qt0u3qQmekS5x4emcTyCCy3ceikBnWbMD8l404fTqR Ov4z/54tFAeMEiHf/9Aj0JofdTvNlMgbvZ6JXoF+idPwPf+QiDjSvehOzxvdo4KyGu +tdmJ7XNXCnBJT4rZP6kfBwSa7c8FmkAgdiAKST5V5N1IBltkQv5O/EH4i8jxxmaiH oumXR0W6BGwXQ== Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0EF162; Thu, 2 May 2024 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Eugene Y Chang cc: David Lang , Dave Taht via Starlink , Colin_Higbie In-Reply-To: <79C02ABB-B2A6-4B4D-98F4-6540D3F96EBB@ieee.org> References: <438B1BC4-D465-497A-B6BA-700E1D411036@ieee.org> <79C02ABB-B2A6-4B4D-98F4-6540D3F96EBB@ieee.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.8+dev; GNU Emacs 28.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?It=CA=BCs_the_Latency=2C_FCC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 19:17:20 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: > Shouldn=E2=80=99t we create a demo to show the solution? To show is = more > effective than to debate. It is impossible to explain to some people. There were demos of fq_codel doing a visible *to the eye* improvement on straight browsing at a number of IETF Hackathons. The kit involved was an entire CMTS+CM head-end. The improvements were due to DNS not having to wa= it. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFKBAEBCgA0FiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmYz5r0WHG1jcitpZXRm QHNhbmRlbG1hbi5jYQAKCRCAi3D73dDdZU/uB/9bWG1+9JyfAJLy4M+D+o+uZXDp LV9fUt50yAwVwqZBl6DbY5qrGAA8ZA7OGsWt4n+jVVOwQaouE56epJbKd3BDEks1 Xw+tejudIDEE1IC5LvlOeUeGHrss7aCVO5axR2lLUrrLDuVJqE5YnzZFshmMjie1 VXIg7/rniemKu8ZuMpXZKyRyDZAGjWkiX32rHkkBSDH5wTjYEuIfNtvC7wy2isDI ekhfiTFKAjCVg9QLvr0ZVL0Fk7GqjdRrPnR594EmY3+xC0LMDXH1ZBe6Yzsg1rE/ /jwR6BkKnKSOnupshzWPK2ZwKuOJ9FeowSswkY/jrafJGi3b3nNvc3Z3hPdb =PfA8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--