From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 515433CB37 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 08:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F3A1800D; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 08:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id fhfuNPEscwMK; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 08:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB7F1800C; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 08:27:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1696249662; bh=ulzqg1Jzya9ravbD/0munwxVFfe/kfPMkeHZP3m94H0=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=q2oTt8tLTgvGP37vw2tBukhEZhM5q8rVhqJM9ajEjc8lLS5vS+9CsKFmcNxe+arCD g27j2/l3lYZMslghWbcK7BjjtsuvkcyTuDFj2qgbyM5P00tIxIWboEK04dNJynYvRe guy0oGmNz1ikWvoNxm2KTLbH/q2Temltr22ACyUkVOJhaPFUNVEC3S8fkcD9shmXde oyT04gNeSv3iqVH3fOpQUVpgR37LAEwOkbAH9anJQkjHGukyeQexJFK/R1kh3Pu1gp D/Qptr6CxZ2EpqRs6IITPnGJbFwW5aqS+s22bbbG57fAV5JXiSV5e302ejvZWVnCAr 8xk+u+GzUdclQ== Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E398E141; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 08:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Ulrich Speidel , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <618b4118-cb0a-4780-a868-f390e2679d90@auckland.ac.nz> References: <94994411-fb55-402c-9606-d2d6c4b3e6d4@gmail.com> <618b4118-cb0a-4780-a868-f390e2679d90@auckland.ac.nz> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 27.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?Starlink_lost_over_200_satellites_in_two_mon?= =?utf-8?q?ths_=E2=80=93_tracker_data?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 12:27:47 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: > In the case of Starlink, there is also the minor issue that their initial > constellation that they started commercial ops with isn't ISL-capable, so > there may be an incentive here to retire some satellites early, perhaps, and > fill their orbital slots with more capable birds. I think that it falls into the fail-early dot-com mantra :-) Shorter lifetimes means shorter times to upgrade the network. Not just the ISL, but also the rest of the forwarding hardware. Given that spaceX is putting these satellites up at marginal launch costs, and I think getting a very very significant R&D and publicity boost from the very rapid pace of launches and booster reuses, it seems like it's just a win-win-win. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFFBAEBCgAvFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmUatz4RHG1jckBzYW5k ZWxtYW4uY2EACgkQgItw+93Q3WWuVQf9HU3rg8bvqgEHmy+Qkc3iRyrGrQmCnnzO AcICpJBrL+qXBA3hxbwh8lMMZK9PBhdT4p/rZbG/+GeNs3krn7lFvh1TsSCFjagj Yj8pmGUKYlaLAulaqTgfDYNWWSsQSD4r7bJ1U+DmEi0yBenwZaP/iH437emLHSyl U1g7gaMr8Wt4yVctZwKidaqYg2Y9BGLitBxCGzKrGAAXbxJKtVE5lvyemyuljDhS av72lvdvstgrPs4NgUnBmYsL8uJJ2uhfSfxLNGFJ/zwWO5SC8i32HjnhkxKMQPkh u8OPBTgs3qP3gGsixjwF/Xng15EtNi/VPKvZECQtsHrqnT7Kz38+rg== =PyJd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--