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[72.253.196.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x4-20020a63b344000000b004351358f056sm4152657pgt.85.2022.09.28.17.40.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Sep 2022 17:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Eugene Y Chang Message-Id: <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_732ADAA5-250F-471D-9A33-DAC3491604BB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000 In-Reply-To: <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> Cc: Eugene Chang , Dotzero , Dave Taht via Starlink To: David Lang References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_732ADAA5-250F-471D-9A33-DAC3491604BB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9B39D38A-CA74-4CA7-866B-02B35428C322" --Apple-Mail=_9B39D38A-CA74-4CA7-866B-02B35428C322 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes and no. Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a = given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.) Depending on your definition of =E2=80=9Cone area=E2=80=9D when you say = =E2=80=9Cnot in any one area=E2=80=9D. Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where the = strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) satellites. Sorry, when I say =E2=80=9Cadd service to an area=E2=80=9D, it implies = adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new satellite = orbit. https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=3Dstarlink = Gene ---------------------------------------------- Eugene Chang IEEE Senior Life Member eugene.chang@ieee.org 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) > On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang wrote: >=20 > The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up the = contellation overall, not in any one area. >=20 > David Lang >=20 > On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: >=20 >> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000 >> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang >> To: Dotzero >> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink >> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >> What is the definition and differences between regular and best = effort service? >>=20 >> Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, = the best effort subscribers are more =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D. With that, = treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it = would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the constellation = (i.e. where to add capacity). >>=20 >> Gene >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Eugene Chang >> IEEE Senior Life Member >> eugene.chang@ieee.org >> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink = wrote: >>>=20 >>> I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received an = email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they = also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, I = decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). You = can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have anything = to lose. >>>=20 >>> Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input appreciated. = If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio. >>>=20 >>> According to = https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=3DUS= = , latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs = and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to = congestion. >>>=20 >>> Thanks in advance. >>>=20 >>> Mike >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Starlink mailing list >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --Apple-Mail=_9B39D38A-CA74-4CA7-866B-02B35428C322 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Yes = and no.

Yes they can = beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a given launch, = the are enhancing a particular orbit.)

Depending on your definition of =E2=80=9C= one area=E2=80=9D when you say =E2=80=9Cnot in any one = area=E2=80=9D.
Technically they would beef up an = area in the shape of strips, where the strip is the ground under the = orbit of the additional (new) satellites.

Sorry, when I say =E2=80=9Cadd service = to an area=E2=80=9D, it implies adding coverage to strips of land, the = land under the new satellite orbit.

https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=3Dstarlink
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Gene
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Eugene Chang
IEEE Senior Life = Member
eugene.chang@ieee.org
781-799-0233 (in = Honolulu)



On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> = wrote:

The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you = beef up the contellation overall, not in any one area.

David Lang

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, = Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote:

Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 = 13:07:43 -1000
From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Reply-To: = Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
To: Dotzero = <dotzero@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Taht via = Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: = Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering
What is the = definition and differences between regular and best effort service?

Creating two bookings queue, wait list and = best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more = =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a = (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize = where to expand the constellation (i.e. where to add capacity).

Gene
----------------------------------------------
Eugene Chang
IEEE Senior Life Member
eugene.chang@ieee.org
781-799-0233 (in = Honolulu)



On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 = AM, Dotzero via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> = wrote:

I've been on the wait list for = almost 10 months and just received an email that I can sign up for a = "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they also indicated the estimated = time for regular service is mid-2023, I decided to go with it (You don't = lose your place on the wait list). You can also "pause" the best effort = service so I don't really have anything to lose.

Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input = appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio.

According to = https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=3DUS= = <https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=3D= US>, latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be = 5-100mbs and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to = congestion.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

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