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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Brandon Butterworth <brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, "David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com>,
	 starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread"
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:21:50 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <356psp-6n4s-5677-2qs9-1r71r492no@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220830220710.GA2653@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022, Brandon Butterworth wrote:

> On Tue Aug 30, 2022 at 02:01:49PM -0700, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
>> You are absolutly correct that people who can get fiber (and probably even
>> most DSL) are far better using that than Starlink, and
>> last-few-hundred-meters wireless can be better (like DSL, it depends on the
>> exact service available)
> ...
>> People who can get that sort of service are not the target users for
>> Starlink.
>
> But unless Starlink turn them away some will still take the
> service despite better options.

Sure, and I am one of them. (I have cable service Internet available), but if 
people are picking something in spite of 'better' service being available, 
is it really 'better' for that person, or is it only 'better' on paper?

Why should you argue with people who make that decision?

I actually have both cable service and starlink, I make my living by working 
remotely, and it's worth it to me to have a backup Internet service available 
(and I don't have fiber availale here in the middle of a city in Southern 
California, and the best DSL at my location is 8/1 @$150/month for a 
dual-dedicated line)

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-30 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.3.1661875202.32670.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2022-08-30 16:53 ` David P. Reed
2022-08-30 17:32   ` Doc Searls
2022-08-30 20:09     ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-30 20:35       ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-08-30 20:40         ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-30 21:09       ` David Lang
2022-08-30 21:01   ` David Lang
2022-08-30 22:07     ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 22:21       ` David Lang [this message]
2022-08-30 22:37         ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 23:07           ` David Lang
2022-08-30 23:45             ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-30 23:28           ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31  0:12             ` David Lang
2022-08-31  0:31               ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  0:32               ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 10:29                 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-08-31 18:51                   ` David Lang
2022-08-31 19:04             ` Dave Taht
2022-08-30 22:50       ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-30 23:13         ` David Lang
2022-08-31  0:46         ` tom
2022-08-31  0:58           ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  7:36             ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31  6:26         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-08-31  7:25           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31  7:31             ` Hayden Simon
2022-08-31  7:33             ` David Lang
2022-08-31  9:59               ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 10:06                 ` David Lang
2022-08-31 10:12                   ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 17:52                 ` Dick Roy
2022-08-31 13:41               ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31 14:30                 ` Mike Puchol
2022-08-31 21:44                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01  7:58                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-01 11:38                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01 19:54                     ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-01 21:08                       ` tom
2022-09-02  7:52                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-02 12:29                           ` tom
2022-08-31  7:49             ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-08-31  9:25               ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-31  9:34                 ` David Lang
2022-09-01  9:12                   ` Brandon Butterworth
2022-08-31 14:52   ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31 15:22     ` [Starlink] starlink upload behavior Dave Taht
2022-09-01 19:24       ` Luis A. Cornejo
2022-09-01 19:50         ` Dave Taht
2022-08-31  8:15 [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" David Fernández
2022-08-31 14:51 David Fernández
2022-08-31 18:09 ` Michael Richardson
2022-08-31 21:46 ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-08-31 23:44   ` Lin Han
2022-09-01 19:26   ` Dave Taht
     [not found] <mailman.800.1661972667.1281.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2022-08-31 19:51 ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 20:28   ` David Lang
2022-08-31 21:17     ` David P. Reed
2022-08-31 21:33       ` David Lang
2022-09-01  7:05         ` Mike Puchol
2022-09-01 11:43           ` Ulrich Speidel
2022-09-01  8:09       ` David Lang
2022-09-01 15:19 David Fernández
2022-09-01 16:33 ` Darrell Budic
2022-09-02  9:32   ` David Fernández
2022-09-01 19:56 ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-02 12:27   ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-09-02 18:34     ` Michael Richardson
2022-09-02 20:11       ` Sebastian Moeller

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