From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0017.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA29A3B29E for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omf11.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37568401C2; Tue, 17 Jan 2023 16:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: doc@searls.com) by omf11.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B6E6E2002C; Tue, 17 Jan 2023 16:27:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Doc Searls Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:27:04 -0800 Message-Id: <35DD8C11-8E9B-4E5B-B6F8-F3496511EBCC@searls.com> To: Starlink-Bufferbloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout06 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B6E6E2002C X-Stat-Signature: ss4z85gh4jqz1pkyuwdupju4kcaukxen X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.99 X-Session-Marker: 646F6340736561726C732E636F6D X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX1+Hibm4kfxkes8FNP00YDQS9gmJxeO4qsw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=searls.com; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id:to; s=dkim1; bh=q/kRFfXVXk0IanPM6ld2/OjX6LCqYRtQnML54qWyhsY=; b=UfH3CAcFcL1ktGOtBM9OYdV+oHFao00JYMiFEkH9wYUZnuKc2NCS6GR090+igCXtA1QBvsGjfan8mIutKMGp/BNMii9eHqNgyOjPp1kbUBraoTQqX25i3Q++CuL+qLFpzXffVM2/JKVPGN7fxcpjwfMYVeaVYYVabsW9SGKitWQ= X-HE-Tag: 1673972825-469682 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1/DtOvTz9oCsF844jYzKX7zx20a2iNbK6erD3N6k54ZMEFppLz15J7NZ0bDcD25ngqzLNZMd9i1yA== Subject: [Starlink] Widely different bufferbloat on two machines connected to one access point X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 16:27:07 -0000 A question for the true geniuses here, before I call an Apple one who = isn't... We have two laptops here, both feet away from the nearest Eero hot spot = in a household network fed by a cable modem, an Aris DOCSIS 3.1 router = and a 24-port Netgear switch. My laptop is a 6-year old MacBook Pro. My wife's laptop is a brand new = MacBook Air that rocks in every respect but its network connection, Using Fast.com, I'm getting 450 Mbps down, 38 Mbps up, with 14 ms of = unloaded latency and 28 ms of loaded latency. My wife is getting 67 Mbps = down, 28 Mbps up, 15 ms of unloaded latency and 780 ms of loaded = latency.=20 Repeated tests yield similar results. In other words, her machine is getting a lot of bufferbloat and mine is = not. If I connect by Ethernet direct to the switch through a USB-C to = Ethernet adapter, I get 880 Mbps down, with other values about the same. = Using the same Ethernet connection, she gets roughly the same results as = she gets on WiFi. So it seems the problem is with her new machine. If so, what's the fix? We do have an immediate need: downloading seven years of emails via IMAP = from her server at Rackspace, which we are leaving because the company = failed spectacularly in a ransomware attack and is unworthy of customer = faith. It has taken most of a week so far to download 390,000 emails, = and we would like to speed that up. I'm less lucky, since my mail (unlike hers) was on the Rackspace = Exchange server, which was the target of the attack. I have been unable = to retrieve anything so far, and I am losing hope that I ever will. Anyway, the question is about radically different bufferbloat on two = machines connected the same way=E2=80=94and what to do about it. Thanks, Doc=