When you come on FLOSS Weekly, Jonathan here will be my co-host: https://hackaday.com/2021/05/24/starlink-a-review-and-some-hacks/ Never mind that he doesn't know about bufferbloat on Starlink. He'll get it. And he's a great dude. You should loop him in. He can be helpful. So can his minions. Doc > On Jun 21, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 8:47 AM Dave Taht > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 8:06 AM Michael Richardson wrote: >>> >>> Dave Taht wrote: >>>> It came up recently that a lot of folk don't like the idea of dropping >>>> packets as a congestion >>>> control mechanism. Like loss or not... the fundamental paper on this >>>> subject is Van Jacobson and Mike Karels: >>> >>>> "On congestion avoidance and control" >>> >>>> http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs244/papers/CongestionControl.pdf >>> >>> I saved this post a long time ago. >>> http://www.sandelman.ca/mcr/humour/vanj-enet-posting.txt > > From that piece: > > "funding agents looking for high speed, > next-generation networks may forget that research to make slow > things go fast sometimes makes fast things go faster". > > Recently I dusted off fq_codel_fast in light of the cache misses > finally showing up > in a 100gbit dual bonded scenario over here: > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net-next.git/commit/?id=848ca9182a7d25bb54955c3aab9a3a2742bf9678 > > asked the author to give it a try. > > > > > >> That was a *great* piece of history thx. And he referenced greg >> chesson's work on XTP, >> ( https://grainger.illinois.edu/alumni/distinguished/9560 ) >> >> Greg was an early consultant to the bufferbloat project... >> he sadly passed before we ever had a chance to jam together. >> >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9795462 >> >>> There is another one about how he crashed Interop, which I don't know where I >>> put. >> >> More folk should have seen van's codel preso at ietf 84. It was the >> very very early days of webrtc. >> >> https://archive.org/details/video1_20191129 >>> >>> -- >>> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ >>> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ >>> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Latest Podcast: >> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/ >> >> Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > Latest Podcast: > https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920/ > > Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink