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Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 01:37:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------cIoDxP5uGHXWKyTrVoQML0QZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Probably. But we need to test it first. The power consumption is higher, and this is not super good... Also, we need to figure out what's going on the PoE side. On 11/18/23 03:33, Inemesit Affia wrote: > Oleg, do you consider this a better product for your use case? > > Nov 18, 2023 2:30:00 AM Oleg Kutkov via Starlink > : > > This has been so common here in Ukraine for almost a year: > https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1725529469828452577 > > No known issues. > > On 11/18/23 03:25, David Lang via Starlink wrote: > > There are also a lot of videos out of people doing flat mounts > and disabling the motors on their dishies as a validation of > the fixed dish approach. > > David Lang > > On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: > > It's not surprising that they would do away with the > motors. Satellite density has now increased in most places > to a level where there is sufficient capacity in sight no > matter which way Dishy points. At least where we are at > 37S, you can try this out at home even with the older ones > - power up, let Dishy orientate itself, and then rotate it > away from its self-adjusted direction. It's not going to > re-orientate. That said, pointing Dishy at where you'd > expect most capacity to sit would still give you better > performance. > > On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote: > > SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its > family of products. The news > was > shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt. > > Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated > terminal — which was also designed for everyday uses > like gaming, video calls, and streaming — the new > device features > a > slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and > wind resistance rating as well as an increased field > of view, and no motor. > > In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables, > the kit includes a Gen 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support. > Based on the quick start guide > , > also shared by Merritt, the set-up process looks > pretty easy." > [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0 > ] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > -- > Best regards, > Oleg Kutkov > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > -- Best regards, Oleg Kutkov --------------cIoDxP5uGHXWKyTrVoQML0QZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Probably. But we need to test it first. The power consumption is higher, and this is not super good...
Also, we need to figure out what's going on the PoE side.

On 11/18/23 03:33, Inemesit Affia wrote:
Oleg, do you consider this a better product for your use case?

Nov 18, 2023 2:30:00 AM Oleg Kutkov via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>:

This has been so common here in Ukraine for almost a year:
https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1725529469828452577

No known issues.

On 11/18/23 03:25, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
There are also a lot of videos out of people doing flat mounts and disabling the motors on their dishies as a validation of the fixed dish approach.

David Lang

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:

It's not surprising that they would do away with the motors. Satellite density has now increased in most places to a level where there is sufficient capacity in sight no matter which way Dishy points. At least where we are at 37S, you can try this out at home even with the older ones - power up, let Dishy orientate itself, and then rotate it away from its self-adjusted direction. It's not going to re-orientate. That said, pointing Dishy at where you'd expect most capacity to sit would still give you better performance.

On 18/11/2023 11:33 am, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink wrote:
SpaceX today added a new Starlink terminal to its family of products. The news <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725569551490752556?t=9SMc2IybrB3U8ZXS-6ehOA&s=19>was shared on X earlier by Tesla investor, Sawyer Merritt.

Compared to its predecessor, the Standard Actuated terminal — which was also designed for everyday uses like gaming, video calls, and streaming — the new device features <https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=4>a slimmer, more portable design, higher waterproof and wind resistance rating as well as an increased field of view, and no motor.

In addition to the terminal, kickstand, and cables, the kit includes a Gen 3 router with Wi-Fi 6 support. Based on the quick start guide <https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1725570377198268653>, also shared by Merritt, the set-up process looks pretty easy." [https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0 <https://ts2.space/en/spacex-unveils-sleeker-more-resilient-starlink-terminal-for-the-connected-explorer/#gsc.tab=0>]


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