From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx002.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC5CB3B2A4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [31.4.205.104]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 12CD68C0DDB for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:52:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1665751933; bh=Em7QUCkh+lD655WzJcXA5+fLV1xVj2PZRHNL/hB9WYs=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=MqoEj/ayKFBuyJXkaTMaIcDvF02cEigQp+ycHH6KNNT936znhU8U6jtxRXp+TVpMg u+dY2QEbAoNfwKP+RcyP3TegELVR4hgViF3+Vx+++XJsgbNd0l+pRiEnj/WNM+XWT6 SN5ieQ9DmzJM2AmVJ4+YEwG2PNDovzq7GtvS9oTcwiPWp/mEijEyd/SqPCBkE73wHn 2nNDcRJUlVYnR0hr71fIRyqtMgPfCNGxNbwVY0kWseH6ZR/9Zeqq+87/ia+PGueUOY hRU8DQvVl2uxaCKhKBW5/z3xdinRQ89XzAAJXJaxv1ndCC0Nqyt0s37JxLhWyVYATQ scBzNzaEC+8Rg== Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:51:39 +0200 From: Mike Puchol To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht_via_Starlink?= Message-ID: <38522124-6d3b-4ac8-bb20-92bfa35dc9fe@Spark> In-Reply-To: <8735bqpq1r.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <8735bqpq1r.wl-jch@irif.fr> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 38522124-6d3b-4ac8-bb20-92bfa35dc9fe@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="63495b7a_109cf92e_4fa9" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:52:14 -0000 --63495b7a_109cf92e_4fa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I would detach the outages from anything related to payments or claims by= Elon. I put together a short thread on Twitter to explain the issues aro= und providing service around the battle fronts: https://twitter.com/mikepuchol/status/1578524400055648256 If anyone wants to dig into any particulars let me know. If SpaceX suddenly turned off what in Ukraine is now an essential service= and a military asset, based on some strong words thrown around, or quest= ions around payments, it would be devastating for the credibility of Star= link as anything other than a consumer product. My personal view is that SpaceX has the right to be fairly compensated fo= r their contribution, just like the manufacturers of Javelins are not giv= ing them away for free. What =E2=80=9Cfairly=E2=80=9D means is where the = conversation must happen. SpaceX was too generous early on and set expect= ations, and now seems to be moving to the other side of the spectrum in t= erms of their costs, with figures that seem, on the surface, unrealistic.= Best, Mike On Oct 14, 2022 at 14:07 +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink , wrote: > As some of you recall, Elon Musk recently posted a tweet in which he > recommends that Ukraine should capitulate to Russia. Andrij Melnyk, the= > Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany, replied in two words. > > https://twitter.com/melnykandrij/status/1576977000178208768 > > A few days later, Musk announced that Starlink would no longer pay its > fraction of the cost of deploying Starlink terminals with the Ukrainian= > Army, and that the US government, if it so wishes, should foot the bill= . > > https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1580782290849759232 > > Perhaps unrelated, there are reports of Starlink outages in Ukraine. > > https://www.ft.com/content/9a7b922b-2435-4ac7-acdb-0ec9a6dc8397 > > -- Juliusz > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --63495b7a_109cf92e_4fa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I would detach the outages from anything related to= payments or claims by Elon. I put together a short thread on Twitter to = explain the issues around providing service around the battle fronts:

https://twitter.com/mikepuchol/status/1578524400= 055648256

If anyone wants to dig into any particulars let me know.

If SpaceX suddenly turned off what in Ukraine is now an essential service= and a military asset, based on some strong words thrown around, or quest= ions around payments, it would be devastating for the credibility of Star= link as anything other than a consumer product.

My personal view is that SpaceX has the right to be fairly compensated fo= r their contribution, just like the manufacturers of Javelins are not giv= ing them away for free. What =E2=80=9Cfairly=E2=80=9D means is where the = conversation must happen. SpaceX was too generous early on and set expect= ations, and now seems to be moving to the other side of the spectrum in t= erms of their costs, with figures that seem, on the surface, unrealistic.=

Best,

Mike
On Oct 14, 2022 at 14:07 +0200, Jul= iusz Chroboczek via Starlink <starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net>, wr= ote:
As some of you recall, Elon Musk recently posted a tweet in whi= ch he
recommends that Ukraine should capitulate to Russia. Andrij Melnyk, the Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany, replied in two words.

https://twitter.com/melnykandrij/status/1576977000178208768

A few days later, Musk announced that Starlink would no longer pay its fraction of the cost of deploying Starlink terminals with the Ukrainian Army, and that the US government, if it so wishes, should foot the bill.<= br />
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1580782290849759232

Perhaps unrelated, there are reports of Starlink outages in Ukraine.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a7b922b-2435-4ac7-acdb-0ec9a6dc8397

-- Juliusz
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