From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ED573B2A4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.70]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4355414FB83; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Kurtis Heimerl cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , Starlink list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <398208s8-6080-r8q7-s6rs-q9np11428n3o@ynat.uz> References: <8735bqpq1r.wl-jch@irif.fr> <38522124-6d3b-4ac8-bb20-92bfa35dc9fe@Spark> <87tu46o8e3.wl-jch@irif.fr> <3ea89257-d5f8-4fa9-a90a-c73d49d2a9e2@Spark> <87r0zao0f0.wl-jch@irif.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="228850167-1184126589-1665768509=:10708" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:28:30 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --228850167-1184126589-1665768509=:10708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Having now read more info on this, less significant than the $80m total figure is the $20m/month figure he quoted. With 15k dishes as the figure that they sent (separate from whatever has been purchased on the commercial side), that works out to 1.3k/dish/month, which is very high. now, not being able to deploy reliable ground stations inside Ukraine could be driving up costs, plus the ongoing battle against jamming. But in his tweet he also cites satellite costs, which should not be allocated as "Ukraine related" costs (and I don't think the cyberdefense and jamming defense work should be either) David Lang On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, Kurtis Heimerl via Starlink wrote: > This thread (https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456) > strongly argues that Starlink is largely paid for their service, at > least on the consumer side. I imagine there are significant > operational expenses in dealing with the various actors involved but > not on the basic model. > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 9:06 AM Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink > wrote: >> >> > In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the >> > expectation that it’s a “freemium” model, it’s very hard to get out of it. If >> > you then claim your costs are way higher than what analysis work out, eyebrows >> > raise way above the hairline. >> >> Uh. Hmm. >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --228850167-1184126589-1665768509=:10708--