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Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2024 12:46:09 -0000 --------------i0Sbe8ZkHQgbbwAcQob6fvib Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has an RFC at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9330/ I read it as a way to rapidly find the available bandwidth without the TCP = "sawtooth". The paper cites fc_codel and research based on it. I suspect My Smarter Colleagues know more (;-)) --dave On 2024-05-07 08:13, David Fern=C3=A1ndez via Starlink wrote: Is L4S a solution to bufferbloat? I have read that gamers are happy with it= . Sorry, I read it here, in Spanish: https://www.adslzone.net/noticias/operadores/retardo-videojuegos-nokia-voda= fone Regards, David F. Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 06:50:41 -0400 From: Rich Brown > To: Eugene Y Chang > Cc: Sebastian Moeller >, Colin_Higb= ie , Dave Taht via = Starlink > Subject: Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem Message-ID: <175CC5C3-F70A-49E8-A84D-87E24C04EABD@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" Hi Gene, > On May 6, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Eugene Y Chang > wrote: > > It seems like you signed off on this challenge. Don=E2=80=99t do that. He= lp give me the tools to push this to the next level. Not at all - I'm definitely signed up for this. But I collected all these p= oints so we can be clear-eyed about the objections that people cite. Bufferbloat definitely exists. And there are straightforward technical solu= tions. And as you say, our challenge is to find a way to build the case for= broad adoption of these techniques. Best regards, Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It has an RFC at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9330/

I read it as a way to rapidly find the available bandwidth without the T= CP "sawtooth". The paper cites fc_codel and research based on it.=

I suspect My Smarter Colleagues know more (;-))

--dave

 

On 2024-05-07 08:13, David Fern=C3=A1ndez vi= a Starlink wrote:
Is L4S a solution to bufferbloat? I have read that gamers are happy wi= th it.

Sorry, I read it here, in Spanish:

Regards,

David F.

Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 06:50:41 -0400
From: Rich Brown <richb.hanov= er@gmail.com>
To: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chan= g@ieee.org>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.d= e>, Colin_Higbie
        <CHigbie1@Higbie.name>, Dave Taht via St= arlink
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Subject: Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a pr= oblem
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Hi Gene,

> On May 6, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org> wrote:
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> It seems like you signed off on this challenge. Don=E2=80=99t do that.= Help give me the tools to push this to the next level.

Not at all - I'm definitely signed up for this. But I collected all these p= oints so we can be clear-eyed about the objections that people cite.

Bufferbloat definitely exists. And there are straightforward technical solu= tions. And as you say, our challenge is to find a way to build the case for= broad adoption of these techniques.

Best regards,

Rich
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